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[00:03] Okay, we are now going to call the order of the regular city council meeting for today's date.
[00:08] Item two is public input and on schedule personal approaches.
[00:11] Anyone the audience wishes to address the council on any of the agenda items.
[00:17] There are being none.
[00:18] Item three is consent agenda staff is recommending items four through seven for the consent agenda.
[00:25] Item seven being that same master services are given that we just discussed.
[00:28] So for this meeting, they're just asking it to be on the consent agenda.
[00:33] Any questions or any of those items, if not, we have a motion to approve the consent agenda.
[00:37] A motion to approve.
[00:38] Second please.
[00:40] Second, roll call.
[00:43] Johnson.
[00:45] Four, sir?
[00:46] Five.
[00:47] Question.
[00:48] Shots.
[00:49] I have a number.
[00:50] Item number.
[00:51] Item number.
[00:52] Item number.
[00:53] Item number.
[00:54] And this presentation of Street Study and Plan Recommendation.
[00:55] Sean is that on a hay?
[00:56] On a hay.
[00:57] On a hay.
[00:58] Welcome Sean.
[01:00] Thank you.
[01:01] Well, the last time I saw you, I was driving Street.
[01:05] So I've got done with that.
[01:10] And from that, we put together this report that's sitting front of you.
[01:16] And we're not going to go through a page by page.
[01:18] Thank you.
[01:19] Appreciate that.
[01:20] Yeah, I don't think anybody wants to be here all night.
[01:22] So with that, what we found, City's got 112 miles of street.
[01:29] There's another six miles of departmental streets is what I'm going to call them at your wastewater
[01:35] plant.
[01:36] Water station, airport, fairgrounds, stuff like that.
[01:39] They're not technically public, but you still maintain them.
[01:43] Then there's 24 acres parking lot out there, too.
[01:45] So this is kind of an idea of where all we was at.
[01:52] So this is a Street Classification chart.
[01:54] It's a little rough to see.
[01:57] You're a big green and red lines.
[01:58] Those are your major street.
[01:59] Sean, I think Neil was trying to ask you.
[02:01] This is a clean valley, too.
[02:03] Was this a clean valley?
[02:04] Yes.
[02:05] Yes.
[02:06] We did look at those, too.
[02:07] Those are included in that 112 miles.
[02:08] Okay.
[02:10] So green and red, those are your major streets.
[02:14] Purple is what's classified as secondary by your guys' data.
[02:18] They're actually your secondary snow routes.
[02:20] Blue on there is your departmental streets and yellow is residential locals and then the
[02:26] little black lines in there are your alleys.
[02:33] And then these are your parking lots that you guys maintain out of your 24 acres.
[02:38] Most of those are your downtown parking lots and then you've got three acres sitting
[02:44] right here at the Civic Center.
[02:47] So kind of a breakdown of what we found.
[02:52] We'll start with the alleys.
[02:56] Out of your 16 miles of alleys that you have.
[03:00] You've got 86% of them that are unimproved, so they're either gravel or dirt, so if we take them out of the list and not look at them as really a pavement failure
[03:11] Half of the city streets are in need of some sort of maintenance or repair or total replacement
[03:19] Another 20% of those are in need of maintenance
[03:22] So they don't continue to deteriorate
[03:26] And 50% of the city's parking lots are in need of the maintenance or repair
[03:30] Part mental streets actually aren't in that bad shape, most of them are concrete
[03:38] So you've actually only got like 9% of them that need something done to them
[03:43] And one of them is out there at the fairground where you've got that little blowout on the road
[03:48] And then the other ones at OPC
[03:51] Payments getting a little rough out there, but I wouldn't put it very high in the priority way, so
[03:58] So this is a breakdown map of the ratings of the streets
[04:03] And anything red or yellow is a pavement failure or a base failure
[04:08] Hmm?
[04:11] I don't know, I don't know
[04:12] Where's the good news?
[04:15] So we'll get to that
[04:17] I don't think there are a few things to say to keep respect to them
[04:20] Okay, so they don't don't jump out the window
[04:25] So anything red or yellow, we're going to recommend replacement
[04:29] Just because off of the geotech reports that I've read that you've had done in the past
[04:34] There's not much to the streets here
[04:37] Pretty thin asphalt
[04:39] There are two to six inches of asphalt over a river sand base
[04:44] To no base at all
[04:47] Some places you may not run into that, you may actually have a decent street that's got a little base rock under it
[04:53] We may be able to do something a little simpler there
[04:55] But until we get in, start digging them up, we're not really going to know
[04:58] Those are those findings, this two to six inches of asphalt over
[05:05] I think you said a river sand base, is that uncommon for small towns like ours?
[05:10] No, not really
[05:12] That's pretty normal
[05:14] Especially where you're at because the river sand would have been something cheap and readily available
[05:19] I'm actually more surprised, it's not chat
[05:23] So
[05:27] But looking at the rating system is a zero to five
[05:30] So zero is no pavement, that was just an easy way for me to track it
[05:33] So any of your gravel streets that you've got out there, I gave them a zero
[05:37] One and two are minimal cracking, they don't need anything done with most of your new micro surface streets
[05:44] You've even got some older roads that are still a one and two class that aren't doing too bad
[05:49] Three is something that should probably get a little maintenance soon
[05:52] So if they don't continue to fail, and then four is a pavement failure of some kind
[05:57] So you're alligator cracking
[06:00] and your light-ready stuff like that, those are falling that class, and then five is a base failure.
[06:06] So, um, I'm trying to think of where you would see that at.
[06:10] Some of the places where right along the gutter, there's a really deep ret,
[06:14] and you can actually see soil shoving up through the pavement. That's a base failure.
[06:19] So, there's several of them out there, and most of that is due to,
[06:24] they're not being any base under them, or four drainage.
[06:27] So, with that, we're trying to, we use some local costs that we've used in Missouri on some things,
[06:36] and a little bit down here, and came up with a recommended budget.
[06:42] And what we did is, most of your maintenance activities,
[06:47] they've got about a seven-year life cycle to them.
[06:50] So, we broke that down in that method, and we ran it out 35 years.
[06:56] That kind of helps us take care of all of the streets,
[07:00] and then you start just a pure maintenance cycle.
[07:03] So, what we did is in the first seven years, we go in,
[07:08] and we start looking at all your major streets, and start doing some rebuilds on those,
[07:12] and get them back up in a good shape.
[07:15] And then after that cycle, we went and took your secondary roads,
[07:19] and we spread them over a little bit longer period just because there's a lot more of them out there.
[07:24] And then we start working your immediate maintenance stuff in there,
[07:27] starting at year one, and it runs out for the first two cycles.
[07:31] And I couldn't get all of this in there.
[07:35] This is actually in the Pindex C of that record.
[07:39] It's got a little more breakdown to it.
[07:42] So, but from that, you really, I mean, one and a half million dollars
[07:51] will cover all maintenance.
[07:55] So, that's the good news, actually.
[07:59] But we've got to get to that point first.
[08:01] We've got a lot of rebuild stuff we've got to do, and some stuff that can't just have maintenance on it
[08:05] to get back in shape.
[08:07] And in order to do that, we've got to come up with an additional $5 million a year
[08:12] for 35 years to cover that.
[08:15] Or a $6 million a year budget will cover maintenance rebuilds,
[08:25] basically the way we've got to grow out, and by the end of 30 unit.
[08:30] By the end of the 35 years, you're at $168 million dollars.
[08:35] So, no, we need to wait for their hearts to start.
[08:41] Yes.
[08:42] So, get your back and continue.
[08:47] So, are you saying now that at the end of that 35 years that,
[08:52] hypothetically, then, from there on a million and a half a year would keep all the rows,
[08:58] we'll keep them in.
[09:00] maintained. But we've got to get to that point first. Now this budget that includes
[09:05] everything, hours. If they're gravel we had it figured in there to go in and put
[09:09] some kind of hard surfacing. I'd actually price to do a chip seal on those like
[09:14] a lot of county roads are. It's a cheap effective means. It works well. That also
[09:19] includes your rehabs on all your city parking lots, all your departmental
[09:23] pavement. If it needed anything that's in there. So this is everything. All
[09:28] pavement maintained by the city is in that 35-year plan. So it is a big plan.
[09:38] So it's not about your inflation factor. What are you assuming? That's just a
[09:44] that's it's a 1.4% inflation. That's just to give us a little cushion in there.
[09:49] That way whenever you look out 10-15 years gives you a little better idea.
[09:55] annually what those costs will go up. The concern that we have right now with a
[10:01] lot of the estimates that we're doing is asphalt is at an all-time low right
[10:05] now. And as soon as the oil market goes back to the other direction, those asphalt
[10:10] prices are going to skyrocket. So they are very heavily dependent on oil price.
[10:15] I don't see any rebuild money in years 29 through 35. By the time we get to that point we
[10:23] have actually re-builds are actually completed by year 21. We have pretty much
[10:31] rebuilt everything. And then from during the third cycle, the 2018 through 28, we've
[10:39] actually assumed that you will need to go back in and rebuild a certain portion of the
[10:44] streets that don't need any maintenance today. And it's just a flaw to be honest with
[10:51] you. It's an assumption that those streets that are 1s and 2s now may need something in
[10:57] the future, but we only considered 20 or 30% of those streets would need something at that
[11:03] time. And then by the time you're through that fourth cycle, it's a pure maintenance by then.
[11:11] And that maintenance actually works out years 29 through 34 that steps down actually that increases
[11:19] because that's starting to add in that last section of roads that you've just finished rebuilding
[11:24] on your major stuff. So that year 35 of maintenance is a typical average of what you would be spending
[11:33] per year on maintenance only. So about 1.4. So I sat down and I met with Dean in the Leetion
[11:43] Highler last week and we went over there and I know you guys don't have that budget. But I do know
[11:49] that you have right now planned 2.5 million dollars for next year and probably 1.1.5 million dollars
[11:56] after that. So I did a budget for those.
[12:00] And they look a little more realistic.
[12:05] Is that what I'm saying?
[12:07] Does that end here too?
[12:08] It is in there.
[12:09] It's in the, it's in a Pindex C, I believe.
[12:13] It's by itself and in other Pindex Cs.
[12:17] This doesn't cover everything.
[12:21] This covers what can we fix now with the proposed budget we've got.
[12:26] So what we're going to recommend that you would probably do is start on your majors.
[12:33] D Street, main, the central, rock nail, send the dose.
[12:40] And I'm going to jump forward once.
[12:43] This is actually the map of who wants it.
[12:46] We would recommend their grades for three and four right now.
[12:52] So some of the little maintenance, some of the needs of rework to them.
[12:57] Your lines that are in red would be the primary.
[13:01] So they would be your first round.
[13:04] And once we get through those that repair and maintenance budget kind of gains a little capital to it.
[13:11] And then we can start on those streets that are marked in green.
[13:17] Well, they should, can you point out the civics in there on there so I can get a worry at it.
[13:21] Okay.
[13:22] Here is third, fourth, B Street.
[13:27] I don't know what it's at.
[13:30] The C. Park Street right here.
[13:33] Okay.
[13:34] There you go.
[13:36] Yeah, it's it's turned on its side.
[13:38] So sorry.
[13:39] We've got my arrow on that one.
[13:41] So we're north in is north is to the north is to the left.
[13:45] Okay.
[13:46] So your primary roads that we've got marked is of course your truck route.
[13:53] I mean that's a heavily traffic road.
[13:55] Main streets always kind of on a priority list.
[13:58] Just to finish up that section.
[14:00] You guys have done a good job in the downtown.
[14:02] Getting that fixed up.
[14:04] It looks great down there.
[14:06] So we could go ahead and finish up that last few blocks and get to railroad tracks and then all of your section looks the same.
[14:13] And that includes in front of the Coleman with the drainage and also the stop sign in the middle of the intersection.
[14:20] Yes.
[14:23] And then.
[14:25] Uh.
[14:26] E-North East is actually a street that is most of us designed right now.
[14:31] Um, by Anderson, but.
[14:33] We with your budget, you've got planned.
[14:35] You could actually work that in and work the rest of it out.
[14:39] So go ahead and take care of the rest of it until you get to the street.
[14:44] And you get connected with the piece that you've had rebuilt recently.
[14:48] Did you say B nor these to E.
[14:56] D-E.
[14:58] E-North East is the one marked in.
[15:00] red and then it ties in to D on the north end and runs out to the veterans.
[15:07] Doesn't front of the nursing home.
[15:13] Yeah.
[15:15] And that maps in there with that budget.
[15:18] And the business is good, then.
[15:21] That's enough.
[15:22] Up in to D.
[15:24] Up in to D.
[15:26] Up in to D is the budget that we're talking about right now.
[15:31] What was your study done basically on a visual of the street or was it based on traffic counts?
[15:38] The pavement condition assessment was just visual.
[15:44] And actually an appendix D is the guide that we used.
[15:52] We built this guide actually for the city of Joplin after the tornado.
[15:56] We worked with trans systems and we drove through the entire damage path and rated their streets.
[16:02] And it has a one to five rating systems.
[16:05] So we did the exact same thing here and use the same ratings.
[16:09] And it's just a visual inspection only.
[16:12] But it covers your streets and your coping gutters and your sidewalks.
[16:17] No, no, no, course.
[16:18] No, no, no, no, no.
[16:21] Extend of what repairs or no, we don't know what's underneath it.
[16:24] Other than the geotech reports that I've gotten that you guys have had done in the past.
[16:29] Most of them's my Anderson.
[16:31] That's where I got kind of the what the typical pavement's made out of around here is reading through those.
[16:38] You made a comment in regards to, you know, like mainstream just because it's heavily traffic area.
[16:50] You know, one of the things that I get feedback with some of the people in my ward and I'm sure a lot of people in the other ward is
[16:57] is that you say it's visual.
[17:00] But are we a lot of people can understand why do we fix a certain road that doesn't get much traffic?
[17:05] You know, although it's visually bad if you don't have one or two people going down it.
[17:10] Why would you want to fix that one over one that you got multiple people that, you know, doesn't look as bad.
[17:15] But it's got a lot of traffic.
[17:17] So can you cover that?
[17:19] So this budget here shouldn't have any of those that only have one or two cars a day.
[17:24] These are your major collectors and your urban arterioles.
[17:27] These are heavy streams.
[17:30] Right.
[17:31] Now the other plant, the recommended budget that has every street.
[17:35] If there's one house on it and it needs something, it's in the plan just because it needs all the other streets that look just like it are in there.
[17:44] Now when you actually sit down and you start priorities in that budget, those need to be worked around because I do agree with you.
[17:51] Some of those streets that only have one or two cars on a day, maybe they don't need to be asphalt.
[17:56] Maybe you just go back and with the...
[18:00] a chip and seal on them, or you let them go back to gravel.
[18:03] I know a lot of people don't like that, but there's nothing wrong with it, and in a
[18:09] stormwater sense, it's actually not a bad idea, because it's not hard surface.
[18:15] Do we know the condition of the gas lines, zirlines, water lines, we will have that at
[18:20] the end of this month.
[18:22] I am starting on that one tomorrow.
[18:24] It's a two-fold process that we have, if you remember, the streets were first and then
[18:29] utilities a month after this, so we're getting a bad idea.
[18:34] Yeah, we're going to do the same, it's basically going to be the same thing as this.
[18:38] It'll be, I don't know what's down in the ground, I've talked to Chris a little bit, I kind
[18:44] of have an idea of some of their video stuff, what they've got, and typical line stuff, and
[18:49] we're going to make a budget recommendation on that, it'll be a blanket coverage, though, for
[18:55] water and sewer, kind of, this is what we think you need to do on all of them.
[19:00] Most of your sewer lines are a clay, so we have a recommendation for that, but that will be
[19:06] next month.
[19:07] And some of these streets will need to be held off until we figure out what we want to do with
[19:12] utilities.
[19:13] I agree with that.
[19:14] One central is the water line that's underneath it, needs replaced as well, and there's
[19:20] no sense in being rebuild in the street, and then cut and adapt to replace the water line
[19:24] underneath it afterwards.
[19:25] So that will not leave anybody happy when you get done, you're right.
[19:30] So, hopefully we can work out some of these to where we can get a utility budget, and a street
[19:35] budget together, and we'll do a complete section of it all.
[19:39] We'll fix the utilities underneath it, and rebuild the street at the same time.
[19:43] So, if I were a resident watching tonight, I would say, you know, we're just in $13 million
[19:49] on our streets, where's the evidence that we spent money was well spent?
[19:57] They are out there.
[19:59] I call it this map, it's not very easy to see a Pindex A, and a report that you all have, that
[20:10] second map that's in there.
[20:21] They're in there, and we can actually go, or maybe it's in there up here.
[20:27] Which would be a condition zero or one.
[20:30] The zero's one and two is what would be zero is no pavement, is the way I classed that.
[20:37] I mean, just looking at this right here, we've got 30 miles of street out there, that's most
[20:45] of your money that you spend on rebuilding streets.
[20:49] They're right there, and those ones and two.
[20:53] I know, as part of the process.
[21:00] before there were decisions made to try to spread the money among all the
[21:06] wars to some extent.
[21:08] And that's one way to prioritize in other ways what you described earlier
[21:14] and that is to make sure you're at least fixing all of your high traffic
[21:17] road approach.
[21:18] And while I think that was 90 percent of what happened last time, there was
[21:22] some money spent probably on some lower traffic roads that maybe could have been
[21:27] some of that.
[21:28] That's Brian's concern.
[21:29] And the question she's getting reflected that because people would see us working over
[21:33] an area where it just didn't seem to be that high traffic and why are we spending money
[21:37] there if we've got problems on a central or whatever.
[21:40] So I certainly agree with this approach.
[21:45] And your major roads, they're going to, once they start deteriorating because of the
[21:50] traffic loads, they'll go quick and some of your residential streets may,
[21:55] I know they're rough to drive on.
[21:56] I've drove them.
[21:57] I've drove every street you guys have.
[21:59] I know what's out there.
[22:01] So they're bad, but they don't deteriorate as fast as a D street.
[22:08] Once it's already got a few spots where it's starting to run and it's just going to
[22:13] get worse from here, especially with the traffic that's on it.
[22:16] So that traffic count that's on those just makes those go a lot quicker.
[22:21] And getting them caught earlier, especially in the maintenance phase,
[22:25] we'll maybe save you on some of those rebuild costs.
[22:28] And when you're 13 million ones are going to fix our problem,
[22:33] but we hope to address most of the major issues at that time.
[22:38] But we did.
[22:40] On could you address what we had talked about about the design of some of the
[22:48] streets and some of those issues where we can stretch our monies a little bit
[22:52] further.
[22:53] I think that's very important for this discussion.
[22:55] We, I had also in geotex read through the existing reports that geotechnical reports
[23:03] that you guys have had done in the past.
[23:05] I was more curious on your standard pavement section that you've been using.
[23:11] It's very conservative for residential street.
[23:15] I mean, you got 16 inches of base under those streets.
[23:19] So I had my guys go through and look at those and the traffic counts are a little higher.
[23:25] Then you would expect for a residential street.
[23:28] So in turn, that means that your pavement thickness is a little thicker than it should be.
[23:33] And your base thickness is a little thicker.
[23:36] And because that total section is so thick, that leads to utility relocates.
[23:42] And a whole lot of extra dirt that you've got to dig out from underneath those roads
[23:46] and haul that out.
[23:47] So our recommendation would be is to set up classes of streets.
[23:52] Similar to the way that you have, that is.
[23:55] So your major arterials and your urban collection.
[24:00] factors, those would be one pavement section.
[24:03] They would be so many inches of concrete or asphalt and so many inches of base rock
[24:09] under them and every single one of those are built the same way.
[24:13] And then you'd step into your secondaries and they would probably be something in between
[24:17] that and then you would have your locals.
[24:20] And they're probably going to be something like a six inches of asphalt or concrete over
[24:24] a six to nine inches base.
[24:28] But we could cut that base section down a little bit.
[24:30] Now, that's just going off of the calculations that we've seen in the report.
[24:36] We've done, like I said earlier, we've done no drilling out here.
[24:39] I have no idea what's underneath these roads.
[24:42] But just looking at the traffic counts alone and what they're assuming for the axle loads
[24:47] seems a little high for residential streets.
[24:50] And there is some language in there that kind of talks about what my guys were able to find.
[24:55] John, I used the term over in Geneva and are you saying that perhaps there were a little
[25:02] over in Geneva for what you would normally see or what you would recommend.
[25:06] Well, we would see on a residential, yes.
[25:08] So I'm not saying that D Street may not have 16 inches of base rock under it.
[25:14] But I'm talking just your standard running the mill residential streets that's got a hundred
[25:18] guards a day on it.
[25:19] They probably don't need that much.
[25:22] The concept in perspective for me is that at a 16 inch base is equivalent to an airport runway.
[25:29] It's what you're designing to.
[25:30] In some areas of telling you may need that.
[25:32] I'm not saying you wouldn't, but if we could do have the same result with six inches of base.
[25:40] Especially when you look at traffic patterns and things such as that, then obviously we can do a lot more
[25:45] pavement to that standard.
[25:48] But again, we do not want to waste money.
[25:49] We want to make sure once the project is done, it's done properly.
[25:52] So I think that's the critical thing that we've been trying to look at is, we have to hit
[25:58] the streets first that we absolutely have to have done.
[26:03] Keep everything in mind but also have a unified standard that anybody that walks in off the street
[26:09] can understand what standard we're applying to those street projects that we're working on.
[26:13] And I think that's the huge value of this.
[26:16] I think that's important because it sets the expectation.
[26:20] And this budget has what we assume would be a standard pavement thickness.
[26:25] It's not your 6 over 16 that you're using on some of your streets today.
[26:31] So trying to be as conservative as I could on numbers, that realistic at the same time so that
[26:37] you guys have a fair number to look at and gives you a better idea of what you need to spend.
[26:43] When I could also add what we were talking about, some of the streets with the testing,
[26:48] I might be able to do a significant amount of streets by again, slowly sales or chip and sales.
[26:54] I'll let we did this year with micro-surfacing.
[26:57] We identified a number of streets that we have that.
[27:00] But with a micro-surfacing project, like the one that we just did, can probably extend the
[27:05] lifetime of the number of streets.
[27:07] I think we're talking about second and third-street northeast, the only main street in the
[27:12] college, for example, those are some that, with that type of work, probably preserve those
[27:17] streets for a number of years.
[27:18] Yeah, that 20 percent that needs maintenance today, that they fall in that category, of just
[27:25] a simple micro-surfacing, even a crack ceiling program on some of your concrete streets you've
[27:29] got.
[27:30] They're still holding up great.
[27:31] There's a few broken panels here and there, when we get those panels out, get them
[27:35] replaced.
[27:36] But start doing a crack ceiling program on them, get those joints sealed up, keep that water
[27:40] out of them, and you'll be able to keep them for a long time.
[27:44] Some of them are starting to scale a little bit on top, I know Mike Edwards has talked about
[27:49] even doing micro-surfacing on them, and they didn't do too bad, they've actually held up very well
[27:54] because we've pressed with those, so, but that 20 percent that's what falls in those simpler
[28:00] fixes, and we can extend the life of those streets.
[28:03] I mean, as you move forward and streets are repaired, don't your traffic count kind of starts
[28:13] swaying because you're going to show how it's going to start finding the street that's been
[28:17] done.
[28:18] I'm going to kick over on that street, and you know, so how do you, that will happen?
[28:24] You had a road over in the Northwest section that got rebuilt, and the detour road that
[28:29] they shoved everybody on, it started running, and it's got a section, and it's it's heaved,
[28:35] and it's because we changed traffic patterns during construction, and that's going to happen.
[28:41] Hopefully, we can keep up with them, and if it's just a maintenance thing, try and get in there
[28:47] right afterwards and get them buttoned up, or work with them together, maybe you do rebuild
[28:53] on the street, and then as soon as you're done with that, you go in afterwards, and you start
[28:57] doing those adjacent roads that you did on your detours, so that we don't have another incident
[29:02] where you fixed one ruin road, and you created another.
[29:06] About three of the things I wanted to just kind of point out of what we're trying to do here.
[29:14] Number one is we knew when this got started, there's going to be sticker shock, and we knew
[29:20] that there's just not going to be enough money, but that's not unusual for my Emma.
[29:25] I think just about every city in America, you can look at something like this, and we'll probably
[29:29] have the same results.
[29:32] That my Emma's our responsibility, and that's what we're trying to deal with here.
[29:36] The second thing is that we're wanting to make sure not only with our rebuild and what we go
[29:40] out to bid on, but also with what we're doing on maintenance, that's why Richard's here tonight,
[29:46] too, is just to make sure that we have our maintenance plan kind of highlighting what we're trying
[29:52] to do with our construction.
[29:53] That's why crack ceiling is so important, really.
[29:57] We've got a crack ceiling machine we haven't used in a years.
[30:00] get it used. You're going to get out and use it. That's why things like the
[30:04] the Durapatcher that we acquired last year has been doing so well for us. That
[30:08] you know, fixing the potholes properly and properly the first time. So we keep
[30:14] pushing at this and I think we can start making some very good progress. I
[30:18] think we've already made good progress. But it's just, you know, what when you
[30:22] hear both on a national and statewide basis, the issues about infrastructure
[30:26] comes down to us as well. And we're probably going to have exactly the same
[30:30] thicker shock in a month when we talk about our water and our sewer system as
[30:34] well. So we can only do so much at a time. But again, you know, the old saying
[30:39] about how you even elephant, that's one bite at a time. We've at least have a
[30:43] good way of knowing which bites to take and let the public know which bites
[30:47] we're going to be taking first. The other questions? What do you go from here? Well, where
[31:00] we go from here is we'll probably start taking a look at this and what the
[31:04] recommendations were. Bring back to you, obviously, because we want to make sure
[31:09] for you and also for the public. Everybody understands what our real projects
[31:13] gonna be. My goal would be that we have them designed and ready to go and out to
[31:19] bid during the winter. So that we can actually do our bidding. And when spring
[31:26] rolls around, we can get some of these projects going right away. I've talked
[31:30] also about one of my concerns is we have a tendency to let bids in April, May and
[31:35] June. And that means that the projects actually don't get finished until this
[31:39] time of the year. And now we're having this heat wave in October, but usually by October
[31:44] you can't do too much work. So ideally, I'd like to be able to have some of these
[31:48] projects ready to go by say next April and May. I mean, when I say ready to go, ready
[31:52] to have the equipment and people out there. So I think the next step is going to be
[31:57] making sure that we have our utility infrastructure taken care of. And that's going to be
[32:02] the important next month. And then start getting our game plan that we'll be bringing back to
[32:06] you. Your game plan includes, I'm hoping, what Doug asked, then you come in and we determine
[32:12] a street, then we do a horse sample and to see whether we need to look at it is going to actually
[32:18] take place. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to go look at a street before we do any
[32:22] design work and see, we'll look at some traffic counts around here and see what we can come
[32:28] up with. And then actually do some geotech testing. One of our discussions we already have an
[32:34] engineering design on a de-street. But again, it's to the 16-inch standard. And we want
[32:41] and that's what we asked for. So it's not like somebody's doing something wrong. We asked for
[32:45] a 16-inch standard. That's what they gave us. But again, that's one that we'd like to
[32:49] do the course samples to see. Could that be done with the six inch or does it really need a 16-inch?
[32:55] So if we go through that process, that's what we'll be able to bring back to you.
[33:00] to say these streets to this design standard.
[33:03] So along those lines, I'm getting a little ahead of the game maybe, but the last major
[33:12] bond issue we had for roads, it was considerable controversy around the specs, which
[33:19] their roads were designed, whether they were overstepped, as you described some were, and then
[33:25] whether the contractor met those specs, how are we going to make sure we don't have
[33:31] those sorts of controversies ever again.
[33:37] Actually in our contract is to help the city develop standard specifications so that when
[33:44] you have a developer come in and wants to build something, they can come get specs and
[33:48] you already have light out how you build your streets and every streets built the same.
[33:53] And of course, I'd want to sit down with Dean and Alicia and you all, and make sure that
[33:57] everybody agrees with what we're coming up with, but they're all the same then.
[34:03] And I'm in this particular case, I'm not referring to a developer all the hopefully we'll have that
[34:08] concern down the road.
[34:10] But whoever we put this stuff out to be at, who are my contractors, that they have, not because they
[34:18] got lines, but specifications, they know they can rely on their requirements to meet and they're
[34:22] expected to meet, and then we hold them to those standards, and then we don't have that,
[34:26] you know, again, the controversies, but we had last time, all right.
[34:30] I, my government hope is that by doing this, we will avoid those controversies, this is the
[34:37] way to do this, is to have these plans in place, have a firm that can help us through this, and
[34:43] be very transparent about what we're going to be doing next.
[34:46] So I've had that very much in mind when this process got started, and I've been very happy
[34:51] with the result here.
[34:52] There's a lot of work to be done, there's no way of Sandra Buds, but this is almost like
[34:57] a comprehensive plan, at least it gives us a good guide and says to what we need to be doing
[35:01] in the community.
[35:02] Okay.
[35:03] One of the question, Mary, I noticed on the map, of course, there's a lot of red, a lot of yellow.
[35:09] Yes.
[35:12] I see what you guys are talking about, with this curtain, but at what point, how far along
[35:19] it does a paint before it turns yellow, and before it turns red?
[35:23] I mean, I don't see red and yellow getting fixed to the next, you know, all of them being done
[35:27] in the next 15 years.
[35:28] Right.
[35:29] And then, honestly, they're gone.
[35:32] You're not doing late, it's on them, and so you just regard that, how long until my paint
[35:35] start turning yellow, and then they're all going to be different, and it just depends on, there's
[35:41] all those factors out there for it.
[35:43] What's the traffic, count on them, what's the base underneath it, what's the pavement made
[35:47] of, and then what's the drainage like in the area?
[35:50] I noticed a lot of the streets that are starting to rut, and they have those base failures,
[35:54] they have drainage issues associated with them.
[35:57] So those are some of the other costs that we're going to need to start.
[36:00] looking at with these rebuilds and you know my daughter just moved into the country and honestly
[36:06] her dirt road's not bad and I mean there's a lot better than some of the roads we have and I
[36:10] didn't know if maybe we could go in there and take some of those tops off and use that I'm not I don't
[36:15] build roads for a little bit some of those would be mutually improved just by removing the
[36:20] asphalt it's right you know juggles I don't know if that's uh I know the city's done that in a few
[36:26] places already where they've they've read it out and it's a long time a year to put asphalt down
[36:31] so they'll just rock them back and leave them like that counties do it all the time around home it's
[36:38] not uncommon de-street's been like that for two three weeks now over your road patch about a week
[36:46] week and a half yeah so I mean it's not boring but you've got that basin there and you've got that
[36:50] trip traffic on that pack and that in for you sure and then whenever you come back in with your
[36:56] patch over the top of it hopefully it's pretty solid underneath it so our assumption is that our
[37:01] citizens want to make sure that whatever street they're driving on that their cars not being knocked
[37:07] out of alignment and they're not losing the fillings out of their teeth well that is the that's the key
[37:11] concern right now is to give everybody a smooth ride and there all sorts of ways to give them that smooth
[37:17] ride what would you recommend I can thank you a couple of hours right now that are
[37:22] hoard what would you recommend for our alleys that are in that condo we talked about those a little bit
[37:30] and like I said I had hard surface in there on the alleys but I don't think your alleys are being used
[37:37] the way they may have been used before you move your trash surface to the streets so
[37:44] maybe they're not that bad as staying as gravel but put them on a maintenance schedule and have a budget
[37:52] set aside to where you keep going in and putting rock back in those and maybe they won't get in
[37:59] as bad of shape those are a lot of cost savings there by not paving your alleys and if they're not being
[38:06] used the way that an alley would be used if nobody's driving on them the only reason they're there is for
[38:14] utility access then maybe they just go back and improve completely and you grasp them
[38:20] pinnicks e these are not representation of my image no they're not that was a job those were built
[38:28] for joplin I noticed I had the guide before I started I tried to put a few pictures of your
[38:35] guys as streets in the reports there are my house I have the video so if you guys want to look at those I'll
[38:42] send them to yeah I can make those available we've got them there's no real good method
[38:49] for them because their GPS with my program but yeah if you guys want to sit there and watch me drive around
[38:56] my Emma
[39:00] the few times myself. We all have. That's similar to what we did. We didn't buy the GoPro but
[39:06] we went the little cheaper route and it worked well. I mean it's not crystal clear. It's not
[39:12] like me standing there looking at it but for a guy to go back in the office and three weeks later
[39:18] sitting there and what if that street looks like it's an excellent record to have and I will be
[39:24] given it to Lisa when I'm done and that way they've got it so. Other questions? So the plan
[39:37] being is what's the next step? Next step is what number one is utilities which will be in a month
[39:46] but in between this is when Sean, Lisa, our staff, Tyler will be involved very much with utilities.
[39:54] We'll start working on the basic recommendations that you just heard here. We'll be looking at
[40:00] these trees. We'll be looking at central trying to see if we can get that taken care of.
[40:05] And then also a pretty good idea about a handle on what we're going to be doing on our maintenance program as
[40:10] well. What we'll be doing with our street crews. So at then bringing back those plans to you
[40:17] when building season comes but are actually well before probably these will be winter projects.
[40:22] Any opportunities to partner with the county? There are two things number one absolutely and the
[40:28] county has always been rolling to work with us. I think the Tyler told me several years ago that the
[40:33] county had indicated that they would be more than willing to work with us on the truck route. So I think we need to
[40:39] outreach to that. The second thing is that by having a plan like this, a grand gateways told us that
[40:47] if we can give them our plan, if there are going to be grant monies out there, they can kind of
[40:52] tie grant monies into some of our projects as well. That's one of the, I mean, we're kind of reconnecting with
[40:58] grand gateways because they've always said we've always been there but we've never really known what your plans are,
[41:03] what your needs are and if we know what your needs are then we can try to, if we come across money we can find it for you.
[41:10] And there are a number of projects that the working on that are basically transportation projects that
[41:16] relate to economic development. That might tie into the truck route very well because that's a commercial route
[41:23] in town strongly. So by having, I've always said several times the staff, I've always felt like on the
[41:30] street programs we've been flying blind and now we're not and that's why I'm happy we're doing this and that
[41:37] we do have this comprehensive plan we can start, you know, looking at what we've got and baking some
[41:42] corrections. Yeah, a lot of strong encourage you once we get our priority set to sit down with the county
[41:50] commissioners because they, and the recent past have been really worked well with us on some very
[41:56] projects and I think at least one brilliant road project and another way.
[42:00] willing to help.
[42:02] So, we've been trying to do that resource.
[42:05] What about public input?
[42:07] Not that I'm saying, I mean, we're going to make all this available.
[42:11] It forms me to side, you know, it's on the web now.
[42:15] Okay.
[42:16] And by the way, when we did this program, we did have a public input.
[42:20] We had an open session here, a website.
[42:23] I think the long lines of what we were hearing for most of the comments, other than just people
[42:28] hating the streets, is doing more areas.
[42:31] Most of those streets, there was not a lot of input at the public comment, but the online survey that we posted, it did pretty well.
[42:40] And most of those were major routes that were picked.
[42:43] That was one of the stipulations of the question is, besides your street, which one?
[42:48] Because everybody's going to pick the one at the end of their driveway.
[42:51] I don't blame them.
[42:52] But I asked them to think outside of that bubble.
[42:55] And we got some pretty good feedback, and most of them were major routes.
[42:59] So we start rolling out the plans through this.
[43:01] We'll have it out there publicly and ask for input.
[43:04] You've got other questions?
[43:09] Okay.
[43:11] Well, take the first bottle of the alcohol.
[43:14] There you go.
[43:15] Thank you.
[43:16] Thank you.
[43:26] Okay.
[43:28] I have a number nine.
[43:30] Resolution of moving community financial support and a fee waiver to major with a spec building at 36.09.207.
[43:36] But don't with the used in progress and industrial part.
[43:39] I hate to start a presentation with an apology, but I think I owe you one.
[43:43] When we started working with maids on the spec building was being built in progress.
[43:48] We had always assumed that what we've done for things like Route 66,
[43:51] Landing, the school projects that would be waiting are building inspection fees,
[43:56] our connection fees is part of an incentive program for those of you that don't know or are listening.
[44:02] A spec building is a spec related building.
[44:04] We're building a 50,000 square foot building in progress.
[44:07] We hope that somebody is going to be taking that building and creating jobs here in Miami.
[44:11] That's economic development very, very much.
[44:14] We had originally talked about the utility extensions to it,
[44:19] and that they basically cross the construction, which is constructing the building,
[44:25] recommended, don't do the utility connections at this point,
[44:28] because whoever buys it might want it in a different location than we would install it.
[44:33] Because the building is basically going to be a shell.
[44:36] And that way we can help whoever goes into there and creates jobs.
[44:40] So we really held off on that and held off on bringing something to you a resolution,
[44:45] waving the fees.
[44:46] And then when working with Christie last week, we realized that we are doing inspections out there.
[44:51] And waving fees doesn't mean we're waving inspections.
[44:53] We're still doing inspections.
[44:55] But the question came up, well, do we charge or not?
[44:58] And I realized they hadn't brought it.
[45:00] to you, resolution, waiting the inspection fees. So this resolution that we have right now is
[45:06] waiting the inspection fees and then also waiting the utility connection fees. And again, it's
[45:10] very similar to what we've approved for Reed 66 landing and we recommend doing it from an economic
[45:16] development point of view. Will that building have all city utilities? Yes, it's completed. The only
[45:23] thing that we will anticipate that it depends on who goes into it. They may need natural gas. It
[45:29] just depends on who takes it. And it will be up to them then if they go with natural gas,
[45:34] what we're talking about. Our electric argue to our water and our sewer, yes.
[45:38] Yeah, a question about, come out. We have a lot of curious, you know, what's actually talking about?
[45:45] Chrissy, do you have an idea about what the fees would be? We're all on the ballpark idea.
[45:51] Well, you know, not specifically each inspection is $50 plus the $4.00 they feed that goes along with it.
[45:58] So just depends on how many inspections are needed that the spec building right now is just,
[46:04] it's just a shell with the footing that's been poured. It's then have a more in it. It doesn't have
[46:10] any utilities oriented or any more of that. So the only inspections that have been done today
[46:16] are about our footing inspections. So really, we're probably talking about a minimal cost here. I probably
[46:25] $1,000 or less at this point. Yeah, yeah. And then this perspective is, it looks forward,
[46:32] oh, yes, yes, it's looking forward. They kind of like the school ball and
[46:40] the fees and things that we made, we estimated around $9,000. And that was the work that was
[46:48] the school ball. So that might kind of give you an idea project. I'm not going to put it in.
[46:56] I'm not going to put it in. Yeah, I'll second. Roll, roll, please. Tonson?
[47:01] Right. Weston? Aye. Four-ster? Aye. Shult. Aye. I'm here as proposed charter changes. I know we had a pretty good
[47:10] discussion at our last work session, which was just last week. And then we asked Ben to
[47:19] think, clarify a couple of points. And so Ben, I'm just going to turn it over to you, I guess.
[47:27] To talk about those, specifically, one first. And then we'll talk about two and three.
[47:36] After that. Okay. So you haven't printed you the seventh draft of the proposed charter in
[47:44] counting. The couple is on this, is it does not require $1.5 million budget. So
[47:54] $460 million. Yeah. My computer said that this time, though,
[48:00] or 116 changes that we made.
[48:03] And one of the major things were with regards
[48:08] to the succession of the mayor,
[48:12] and then some changes with regards
[48:16] to the election process for removal of a city council member.
[48:24] The others were, again, reading through it again,
[48:28] both Christian, I found some various places
[48:33] where we could combine things, for instance,
[48:36] not all of our provisions on the qualifications
[48:44] of being a city council member,
[48:45] we're in Article 2.
[48:47] We found some in Article, I think it was Article 6.
[48:52] So we moved them all to be in the same place.
[48:57] We took out the language about a elected official
[49:04] and made it clear we're talking about city council members.
[49:08] So a lot of those changes were not substantive changes,
[49:15] but things that helped clarify exactly what we're doing.
[49:19] The major, like I say, the major changes were outlining
[49:24] a procedure for successor, succession of the mayor.
[49:31] So what about mayor, pro-tam?
[49:35] Which relates to the mayor, pro-tam, right?
[49:40] You'll see on page four in qualification to see council members,
[49:44] it looks like there's a whole lot of changes there,
[49:46] but basically what we've done is taken provisions there.
[49:50] That I'd failed to gather all together in the previous drafts
[49:55] and put them all together hopefully,
[49:58] we've got them all together at this point in that section.
[50:03] So with that, I think it's mostly a matter of view,
[50:15] reviewing these and see if there are any other questions
[50:19] or changes that you would like to have.
[50:35] Then we updated the language in some places and...
[50:38] What the city treasure in there, in some place?
[50:42] Yeah, the city treasure clarified that that is an appointment by you by the council.
[50:53] On page 12, on the election process.
[51:01] For the removal, I actually incorporated the state statutes on how that is to be done.
[51:20] Is that the one panel's successor of any officer or removed?
[51:30] It's actually right above that.
[51:35] And we did remove the provision that the council member cannot be removed in the first six months of office.
[51:43] So, to hand us item two there, is that doable setting of the day-to-speccial election?
[52:07] I guess.
[52:09] Okay, so we're just saying, within closing in the filing period.
[52:16] But we're not putting an end-do card on ourselves.
[52:18] And we just put it within 30 days.
[52:22] Everything done within 30 days.
[52:24] So you thought that through?
[52:26] Well, I plagiarized.
[52:29] Okay.
[52:30] This is what the state law applied.
[52:32] So, then that's what state law provides and certainly shouldn't create any issues for the county election.
[52:40] Correct.
[52:41] Okay.
[52:42] They should be used today.
[52:44] Actually, to be a little more correct,
[52:58] they in the state statute had a minimum time frame, but no maximum time frame.
[53:06] And so I took their minimum time frame and put in a maximum time frame.
[53:14] For instance, in one, it's not less than 10 days, no more than 20 days for the filing period.
[53:21] And did the same sort of thing in section two, the election,
[53:25] is not less than 45 days, no more than 60 days.
[53:40] I guess I'm missing this somewhere, I'm skipping over.
[53:44] The vacancy on the council.
[53:48] Where's that?
[53:49] I'm missing that somewhere.
[53:51] Okay.
[53:55] I'm just skipping over and out just for a second.
[54:00] the top of the page, section three, or three, section three, three, and we get this in a finalized form, I'll actually put page number on the page nine.
[54:30] Okay. Now, what you have in the red line copy is the changes that have been made since the last time brought that.
[54:49] Right.
[54:50] Can we talk about this one previously, so that one's been out loud?
[55:03] Right.
[55:04] Okay.
[55:05] So in section on page 11, section six, section seven, seven, seven, seven, eight, may have
[55:20] have his or her name printed upon the on part of the general disposal.
[55:23] That's probably for any one office to be filled at the election.
[55:29] So we've had situations that can't ask for someone was a sitting council member and ran for mayor.
[55:36] But there's no, there's seek was not at that time that they're not precluded from doing that by that language.
[55:42] Right.
[55:43] But that's aimed at what this is targeting is you can't run for city council seat.
[55:50] And the mayor had the same time.
[55:53] Currently, when currently they're staggered.
[55:57] So unless you have the situation like Vicki, for example.
[56:01] Right.
[56:02] In that situation, theory.
[56:04] Yeah.
[56:05] Yeah.
[56:06] That conflict that she has to run again next time.
[56:09] Because we're appointment.
[56:10] Okay.
[56:11] So I would ask everyone to, since there are, even though most of the changes aren't
[56:22] there are quite a kind of grant there.
[56:24] I'd ask everyone to take the time to look through.
[56:29] Very deliberately read through and I think you're comfortable with everything.
[56:34] And let me know.
[56:38] There are no changes in the next meeting.
[56:41] The program.
[56:42] So.
[56:43] Black coffee.
[56:44] You don't know.
[56:45] Yeah.
[56:46] Yeah.
[56:47] I don't know.
[56:48] I was one.
[56:49] My question.
[56:50] Ben, do you have any concern for what we've talked about?
[56:52] We might be proposing.
[56:54] No.
[56:56] My only concerns for the, the relating to the.
[57:00] other two propositions, which I made no changes to those, because from the last conversation,
[57:07] I didn't get there as a desire to have changes to those.
[57:14] But again, I think that it's a very wise decision to do it as three separate propositions
[57:19] or the citizens vote on this and then let them express their opinions on the other, whatever
[57:26] other options you want to present.
[57:33] Yeah, I mean, my preference is just to table those for right now, just think about them a little bit more.
[57:40] I'd like to have the information been brought this last time, but the continued to push forward on this primary one.
[57:49] I mean, that's our kind of the one goal.
[57:53] The other two can be dealt with administratively if we so choose and make two to do that.
[58:01] It's important in the future if we don't have been formal propositions.
[58:14] Any other conversation on this particular agenda item?
[58:21] When is our goal to wrap this up, Mayor?
[58:24] You have them.
[58:26] Then I know we talked a little bit about the calendar last time.
[58:28] We feel like we're still in good shape, but we really need to, when do we need to have the ballot language to
[58:36] think it was in January and if it stays with the general election, it is in January when you do
[58:45] the resolution and the propositions and we get it to them and then the filing for officers and things like that
[58:53] is in February, but I think once you do the proposition and the resolution you're good on your charter.
[58:59] Well, I have three more meetings.
[59:01] Well, counting our work sessions, I guess we have five meetings between now and then.
[59:09] Let's just, for the second conversation, I should say this is the final document that we're going to ask the voters to approve.
[59:16] Then we would need to see the ballot language.
[59:20] Do you have some prepared?
[59:22] I haven't even started on that, till April.
[59:25] Would you...
[59:26] Pretty much figure out what this is, but yeah, you start working on that then because
[59:30] regardless of what file of form this take was maybe some minor changes, your ballot language is
[59:34] probably going to be a third of consistent. So I've given that we've got roughly 60 days. We'll just start
[59:39] working on the ballot language for the prop one.
[59:46] And maybe we'll hopefully have a draft of that by our next meeting.
[59:52] We can do that.
[59:53] Thank you.
[59:56] Nothing else on that item?
[59:57] We are going to move to item election.
[60:00] Which is new business and new business?
[60:06] Well, there's health on community announcement and announcements. I don't know how to do part to our city manager. I can't
[60:14] Oh, I got to say is tomorrow night at any else basketball season is a point
[60:24] Every year when they play their I think it's coffee filled everybody in stands gets handed or roll a tool
[60:31] And there will be a technical file and when that technical file takes place. That's when everybody heves the rolls a tool
[60:37] It's an experience you need to go
[60:42] I think there's a video on YouTube
[60:46] Five thirty drills tomorrow
[60:50] It's all
[60:52] Sorry, I'm more exciting than that
[60:54] Yeah
[60:58] The
[61:00] I really don't have anything. We expect you to bring something
[61:02] Yeah, I thought she's going to say it's on bottom of the show
[61:05] Well, we're having lunch in tomorrow with
[61:09] Several people you've on and Miss Gheeley and we're going to start planning the opening for it
[61:15] Wish is going to be part of that we're all working right now on a field of punchless items
[61:19] I think the building is in very good shape. I think there's some issues with the pavement that we're trying to work out with a construction company
[61:26] But I think everybody has been very happy with the way it's turned out. I believe we've got
[61:32] Is all the furniture in it?
[61:35] In it we do have the signs
[61:39] The dedication signs
[61:42] We're waiting on some final things that do need to be cleared up with the building before it gets turned over
[61:50] And then the animal pins have been all installed
[61:53] I think there's even been some pictures put on Facebook of them being what they were installed
[61:59] And we basically are doing what we're going to do with the stuff for the inside
[62:04] There you go. Anna Cruz has also done some work around the area to make sure that the
[62:08] The drainage is proper to don't have drainage issues as well
[62:13] So after tomorrow we'll know when the first dog we're going to kind of plan it all
[62:18] Yes, and also I think one of the things we've talked about is not just the dogs taking up residence
[62:23] But with a new facility like those who'd like to have new programs
[62:26] I mean now we have room for being able to host to stay in New York
[62:30] Now we have room to be able to really put these dogs out for a dog and a whole lot better than we ever had before
[62:38] The dogs crews are working on an area that will be a green area there
[62:42] The dogs can actually be during the day instead of being in the cages all the time
[62:47] So we're hoping that it's not just going to be a place where we're warehousing dogs but it's a place where we find them there for
[62:52] Ever homes a little bit better than we have in the past
[62:55] The current facility will still be in place because we're going to always need a place for storage
[63:00] to need a place every now and then when an animal has to be in quarantine, but such a night and
[63:06] day's difference between the facility we have now.
[63:08] I think it's not just for the animals, but I think for the citizens that will go in and try
[63:14] to find a rescue dog, it's going to put those dogs on display a lot better than we have right
[63:18] now.
[63:19] So, where are you going to find range based?
[63:21] There's actually an area right now that's just slightly too, if you're looking out the front
[63:26] door just slightly to the left, there's an area that we're going to be redoing some
[63:30] fencing and putting in some saw from the park's areas, and that will be the green space.
[63:35] It really works out very well.
[63:37] Yeah.
[63:38] Okay.
[63:39] All right.
[63:40] What do we look forward to that?
[63:42] Item 14 is Executive Session for Sir, 25OS 3072 for discussing negotiations concerning employee
[63:51] representatives and employee groups to with the FOP and the IAFF.
[63:55] Do we have a motion you go into Executive Session for the reasons listed on agenda item
[64:00] 14?
[64:01] I'll take a motion.
[64:02] Yeah, second.
[64:04] Second.
[64:05] roll call please.
[64:06] Or foraster?
[64:07] Aye.
[64:08] Johnson?
[64:09] Aye.
[64:10] Western?
[64:11] Aye.
[64:12] Judgment on HFU-S, John Eulish for the Puppet.
[64:15] I heard very, very, very switch.
[64:18] That's what he really makes me hate a moment for that.
[64:26] Okay.
[64:27] That's just like a game probably.
[64:28] There's a lot of work.
[64:29] He didn't even talk me in the ground about it.
[64:30] Very switcher says.
[64:31] The rest of it.
[64:32] Why is it?
[64:33] Why?
[64:34] I don't buy anything.
[64:35] The HFU-S.
[64:36] That's the same thing.
[64:38] That is.
[64:39] I mean, that is in what I think.
[64:41] He makes a sign.
[64:42] You're the ones when you're watching TV and I'll send that poor puppy that's just sitting there
[64:46] in that cage.
[64:47] Yeah.
[64:48] Yeah.
[64:49] Well, okay.
[64:50] Usually.
[64:51] Usually.
[64:52] But if you buy him what they actually spend.
[64:54] He's being perched day.
[64:55] Percentage wise on the money that they make.
[64:58] You wouldn't say that.
[65:00] You just need about to.
[65:01] I don't know.
[65:02] Okay.
[65:03] We have most of the job.
[65:04] I don't know.
[65:05] Second.
[65:06] Second.
[65:07] Rope call.
[65:08] Good question.
[65:09] First.
[65:10] Second.
[65:11] Shelter.
[65:12] Hi.
[65:13] Hey, Brian.
[65:14] That takes back very easy.
[65:15] I don't know.
[65:16] I'm sorry.