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[00:00] To be on the consent agenda and Mike, I didn't give you heads up, but I'm going to ask that I
[00:04] may be pulled out. I just want to talk about that for a second. So that would leave. If there
[00:10] are no other items, four, five, six, seven, and nine staff is recommending for the consent agenda.
[00:16] Do we have a motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve the items four, five, six,
[00:22] seven, seven, and nine. Okay, and a second. Oh, sorry. Roll call please.
[00:27] Justin. All right. Johnson. All right. Lewis. I forced it. All right.
[00:32] Shult. All right. And Mike, I apologize. I thought I could ask you this before the meeting and I did not think to tell
[00:38] me a little bit about what item it is. Well, we are, we have both internet here at the city. It's currently
[00:46] 100 megs and due to the growth in some areas, we're going to upgrade that to one gig. Okay. So,
[00:56] and that'll provide faster service for us. Okay. Yes. When you say some areas, we're actually
[01:05] reaching out to do the power phone. Other agencies, first responders will now be able to see our
[01:13] computer-rated dispatch system. So, they'll have real-time information, medical calls, fire calls.
[01:21] So, that way when they respond, they'll have some free rival instructions. Okay. Y'all, well,
[01:31] while we're speaking of both. I think we're hoping that possibly at our meeting of the 20th,
[01:37] others working on that. We'd like to bring you that item that's part of our content,
[01:41] plan and part of our budget, in which we may want to start working with both to see if we may
[01:46] be able to bring them in for all of our customers. And, Mike, that's something we've discussed for
[01:52] quite a while about trying to have gigabyte service and gigabyte community. We'll be a fairly substantial
[02:00] investment on the part of my am. If we do that, but it could, in the long run, it could very well
[02:04] should be worth it. And, well, the first steps will be doing some type of a survey of our community
[02:09] to see if we would have the type of penetration and the type of customers that would make that work.
[02:14] We wanted to get bold up and running. They had a few build-out issues that they were working on,
[02:19] but all has been good. And, in fact, we were communicating with them just the last couple of days and
[02:24] they've indicated that everything's still on the table and they're willing to work with us. So,
[02:28] that's going to be a September project and that's part of our budget and part of our complaint.
[02:33] And, Mike, as you say, to say, we wouldn't be upgrading the service if we weren't very satisfied with it.
[02:38] Oh, yeah, yeah. That's, that's, that's kind of what you say.
[02:42] Any other questions for Mike on this particular issue? If not, I'll make a motion to approve out of
[02:46] it. I just got one there. Is this extra $300 at an budget or is that going to be?
[02:53] Um, I have money in my budget that I'm moving from one account to another account to cover cost.
[03:00] doing a better amendment on that. Okay.
[03:02] I'll second. Okay.
[03:04] We'll call please.
[03:05] Chilled.
[03:07] All right. Who is I?
[03:08] Western?
[03:09] I. Forster.
[03:10] All right.
[03:11] All right.
[03:12] Okay.
[03:14] We are going to skip item 10 for now.
[03:20] Item 10 is to recognize Miami public school senior football
[03:25] awards and I know they've been practicing and they are running a little bit
[03:28] late. So we're going to move on to item 11.
[03:30] Item 11 is Mayor's nomination for chairman and vice chairman of the Miami
[03:35] Recreation Tourism Convention and Visitors Advisory Board.
[03:40] And my nominees for those positions are Neil Johnson, councilman
[03:45] Johnson and chairman and councilman by and forester as vice chairman.
[03:50] And I don't remember if they can vote on their own nominations or not.
[03:58] You're going to be best if they didn't.
[04:00] So let's give it a try.
[04:02] And I can't vote on my nominations.
[04:04] So that would be just two.
[04:06] So I think they're going to have to.
[04:08] They're going to have to.
[04:09] And I think we've done that before.
[04:11] I just do one of the time.
[04:13] Yeah. Let's do that.
[04:14] Let's put them out.
[04:15] And that may.
[04:16] Yeah. That's a good idea.
[04:17] Thank you, Neil.
[04:18] So the first person that I'm nominating in is Neil Johnson as chairman.
[04:23] Motion approved.
[04:24] Second.
[04:25] Work all please.
[04:26] Western.
[04:27] All right.
[04:28] And then the next person I'm nominating is Brian Forster as vice chairman.
[04:32] I'm like the motion approved.
[04:33] Okay.
[04:34] All second.
[04:36] Go call please.
[04:38] Okay.
[04:43] Johnson.
[04:45] All right.
[04:46] Lewis.
[04:47] Western.
[04:48] All right.
[04:49] Forster.
[04:50] No.
[04:52] Neil.
[04:53] I think.
[04:54] I think that's it.
[04:55] Yes.
[04:56] Oh no.
[04:57] Thank you.
[04:58] We're not confused.
[04:59] We're going to move on.
[05:00] We can't.
[05:01] We can't.
[05:02] Can be simpler.
[05:03] I'm.
[05:04] I'm 12 is at mayor's nomination for board members to the.
[05:07] For other positions on the Miami recreation tourism convention visitors.
[05:12] Advisory board.
[05:13] None of whom were sitting up here.
[05:14] So it shouldn't be as complicated.
[05:16] We're nominating here.
[05:17] Crow and Ron Gilbert for four year terms.
[05:19] Jennifer Hessie and Tara Elkey for three year terms.
[05:22] Steve Gilbert Greg.
[05:24] I'm like welcome for two year terms and Morgan Busy for one year term.
[05:28] And it's my understanding that we can just vote on all those or y'all can vote on all those.
[05:33] Once if you so choose.
[05:34] So do we have a motion to approve.
[05:37] Oh, make it.
[05:38] Those people.
[05:39] And the second.
[05:40] Second.
[05:41] We'll call please.
[05:42] Western.
[05:43] I.
[05:44] Forster.
[05:45] I.
[05:46] Lewis.
[05:47] Johnson.
[05:48] All right.
[05:49] Thank you.
[05:50] I had an 13 outside the organization contract for fiscal year 2016.
[05:52] 2017.
[05:54] So in your packet are applications.
[05:57] Financial information and the contracts.
[06:00] contracts for four organizations, the Community Crisis Center, the MIMA Senior Center,
[06:05] Autobocounty Graduate Stinctions, and the Grand Gate Way Pelavan.
[06:09] I did in the B.A. I show you that they did it's exactly the same,
[06:15] they're asking the exact same amounts that they got for 15, 16.
[06:19] It is all budgeted, and we did have one organization that did not apply.
[06:24] That we had last year, but did not apply for this year.
[06:27] Was that the harbor?
[06:28] Yeah.
[06:29] And then also animal welfare?
[06:31] They haven't applied for a couple years.
[06:32] They were not.
[06:33] They were not.
[06:34] Okay.
[06:35] Okay. Any questions for Jill?
[06:37] This is not what we met about last year.
[06:42] You had a committee last year that reviewed all the applications.
[06:47] So this is a new for the following 16, 17.
[06:51] Yeah, for the, just go away when we're dealing with,
[06:53] 15, 15.
[06:55] So we had a bit of a change in the process.
[06:57] Yeah, I was just, when I saw that, we know over how committee, I guess,
[07:01] to review it.
[07:02] Is that one of that?
[07:03] That's correct.
[07:04] We're trying to do a stream line a bit.
[07:06] We let everybody that received funding last year.
[07:08] No.
[07:09] That if they wanted to receive money in 16, 17 to apply,
[07:13] we did put out public notice.
[07:15] If there was anybody else that wanted to apply, nobody else did.
[07:18] So in essence, we're just rolling it over into next fiscal year without going
[07:22] through that process.
[07:23] It doesn't change everything.
[07:25] That's not really enough in did at all.
[07:27] And the last meeting, we gave them an extended time limit to meet the requirements
[07:32] that was taken care of.
[07:33] That was for 15, 16 in yes.
[07:34] Okay.
[07:35] Yep.
[07:36] They were cured, the contracts, yeah.
[07:37] And these funds were also in the budget that was approved.
[07:40] Correct.
[07:41] Yes.
[07:42] Okay.
[07:44] Any other questions?
[07:45] Any concerns behind you?
[07:46] Have any concerns?
[07:48] Okay.
[07:49] Then I would entertain a motion to approve the outside organization contracts.
[07:55] Please, I didn't recommend that.
[07:58] One additional item before the vote, just very quickly.
[08:01] You might remember when council member Lewis, and it's sorry about that.
[08:07] I'm trying to be too far more here about the cure.
[08:12] In this year, the wording is such that if some of the reports that we have asked for
[08:17] are not submitted, then we will withhold the payment until we are able to get the reports.
[08:23] We will put us in the bad situation last year.
[08:25] It really wasn't all the agencies in the agencies that didn't.
[08:28] It wasn't a big issue.
[08:29] It was just kind of a more of a crossing tease in dotting eye situation.
[08:33] So this year, we're going to be doing a lot more contract management to make sure that we do have those things in place
[08:39] before we have a reimbursement, too.
[08:42] Those are quarterly reports.
[08:44] Yes.
[08:45] Okay.
[08:46] Yep.
[08:47] Yeah.
[08:48] So anyway, we've corrected that in this contract.
[08:50] And I thought just for the record, I mentioned that, too.
[08:53] Good.
[08:54] We have a motion on item 13.
[08:57] Much different, man.
[09:00] in a second.
[09:01] Awesome.
[09:02] Can I roll call please?
[09:03] Johnson.
[09:04] Lewis.
[09:05] I'm Western.
[09:06] Hi.
[09:07] Four stars.
[09:08] I'm going to give you a second.
[09:09] I'm Jordan.
[09:10] Yeah.
[09:11] Check for a quick.
[09:12] We can always in a route to charter discussion for these two.
[09:18] Two.
[09:23] Two.
[09:26] Two.
[09:27] Two.
[09:28] Two.
[09:29] Two.
[09:30] Two.
[09:33] Two.
[09:34] Two.
[09:35] Six.
[09:36] Four.
[09:38] Brothers.
[09:39] I'll give them a minute too.
[09:39] One.
[09:40] Two.
[09:41] Two.
[09:42] Three.
[09:44] Every Sunday, I gave you just that's true.
[09:47] I've learned to get the body here.
[09:48] Same.
[09:49] Good.
[09:50] Good.
[09:51] Two.
[09:52] Two.
[09:53] Four.
[09:54] Twelve.
[09:55] Four.
[09:56] Two.
[09:57] Six.
[09:58] Seven.
[09:59] Two.
[10:00] Two.
[10:01] Four.
[10:02] Okay.
[10:03] Well was you so fall on a problem.
[10:05] I'm sorry, this is the whole thing, can I go to the other part?
[10:10] Is this the whole charter that you found?
[10:14] At the present time.
[10:16] Yes.
[10:18] So I think...
[10:22] Oh, I know exactly where you got it.
[10:24] I didn't know exactly where you got it.
[10:25] I didn't know exactly where you got it.
[10:27] I didn't know exactly where you got it.
[10:28] And I believe last year when I asked which one was where you got it.
[10:33] Can you hear me?
[10:43] Here we go, sir.
[10:44] He was going to see if the football team was out there.
[10:47] I think they're just getting out of practice for much more than before we say him.
[10:51] Hopefully it's hard.
[10:53] I don't care if you picture with you guys.
[10:56] They got helled ill.
[11:00] It's Friday.
[11:01] Yeah, I don't know.
[11:02] Don't know much about them.
[11:03] I don't know.
[11:04] I don't know.
[11:05] I understand the game that's being sponsored by Steve Homes.
[11:09] Who is?
[11:10] Steve is sponsoring the game Friday.
[11:14] Is that right?
[11:15] Yeah.
[11:16] Just hold it.
[11:19] Okay.
[11:20] And I think we'll just give them a moment.
[11:23] Good.
[11:24] Yeah, I won't be throwing it just a minute.
[11:25] Just a minute.
[11:26] Just a minute.
[11:27] Just a minute.
[11:28] Just a minute.
[11:29] Just a minute.
[11:30] I'll get younger and younger.
[11:35] We don't.
[11:36] We don't.
[11:37] Come on.
[11:38] So all the kids get younger and younger.
[11:40] We don't.
[11:41] Yeah.
[12:14] Got on over NEO first thing they made you do they gave you a little copy of the fights
[12:19] Nice we'll learn it. You didn't think if you had a big bunch of me kind of mother yourself through what the sophomores
[12:26] Well then they decided to
[12:30] You didn't know you got to run
[12:34] Manless say I ran a lot of bleachers
[12:37] Before I bring it up the fries though. I always thought those bleachers were dangerous to run. Oh they were
[12:43] Yeah, they were dangerous to walk at that, but yeah, they
[12:48] He definitely went to pick up your knees when you went up
[13:03] The tap
[13:09] No, no, no, no, I was talking about the first home game. Yeah, yeah, okay
[13:13] No, they think that's where I would fix the next go
[13:16] Went to Montana Mike said the night and the waiter came up he had a weakness big on a finger
[13:22] I go my gosh. What is that National Championship?
[13:27] He weighed about 100 and yeah, he's about 120 pounds
[13:30] That's cool. He's got a heavy
[13:36] I just saw something the other they put out this little brochure
[13:40] You know cross one another day and it's on about the National Championship
[13:44] I think they would have had either two or four
[13:47] Where the National Champions and their white division and then of course they were they?
[13:51] Over all National Champions
[13:53] Jay set up couple
[13:59] But the Pirates and Gold team currenty, but yeah, yeah
[14:08] I didn't see
[14:10] Okay, we are going to pick up item number 10 now, which is recognized by any public school senior football
[14:29] whoardals coach I appreciate all you guys being here come on up to the podium please and tell us about your team a little bit
[14:36] Tell us about these guys you got with you mr. madam councilman. Thank you for having us this evening. It's always a pleasure to come and
[14:43] Visit with you and I appreciate you indulge in us and
[14:47] Your schedule
[14:48] Coach sheet. I'm stubborn enough not to cut practice short to get them here. So we're always grandma to make it so thank you for your time
[14:56] I'm gonna start out. I let them step up here and introduce them
[15:00] And then I'll talk a little bit about them. Okay, so go ahead step up and stay up there
[15:05] I'll screw you on over
[15:09] Trevor, so I don't know what position you play. Why do you see her?
[15:14] Walk one hurry back one back. I'm just a strange. I play a water see her
[15:19] My name's for show. I'm a little bit on the nose guard
[15:23] Jager Paxon off that's a watch
[15:25] Daniel Allen, offensive one, defense one, camera jeans, quarterback, trading break, offensive one, defense one
[15:34] Isaac colored, throwing back and my back. So as you can see, and I'll mention we have 10 seniors
[15:41] We have nine here, Caden Collins
[15:45] I have early season injury and so he's unavailable to be here tonight, but he is our 10th senior
[15:52] So these young men
[15:54] I've done a great job
[15:56] So far this year and they're time as being a war dog and
[16:00] Really done a great job and through the transition, you know, they've been a part of
[16:06] the stadium complex
[16:09] Transitions some of the
[16:11] modifications and upkeep that we've made just at the practice field and and and and a war dog locker room and so they've really
[16:19] Have a lot to be proud of and helping and being a part of establishing
[16:24] new war dog traditions as they've been through high school
[16:28] 9 through 12 grade so
[16:30] Extremely proud of their efforts and everything that they do and some of that tradition
[16:37] That this group has been a part of two sayings that we talk about a lot
[16:42] One is it means something to be a word dog
[16:45] If you're on social media in here, you'll see that a bunch MST B-W
[16:50] Means something to be a word dog and then especially this year with this group
[16:55] The few the proud the word dogs that we talk about, you know, any
[17:00] Means something to run out on that field and to represent the word dogs and wear that so
[17:06] We always we take pride in thanking you and everything that you get a
[17:13] accomplish for us and and day-to-day
[17:16] City business it affects us and we thank you for that and the stadium is one example of that and we're extremely proud and
[17:23] Of that facility yes, guys
[17:26] Yeah, questions for us so I win the first home game coach this Friday
[17:30] We can't get off this Friday 730 versus Hilldale Hornets
[17:35] They're pretty good for ball team the ranked and the top 10 coming off a good year last year
[17:41] It's going to be a challenge right off the bat, but we're excited about the opportunity and again
[17:45] We had a good scrimmage last Thursday after waiting out the weather and so we were excited about kicking it off
[17:54] And when do we pay a greater this year grab is the last game of the year
[18:00] into our district play, if you understand high school football a little bit,
[18:04] uh, grow, drop down and become part of our district and so we re-drew and they
[18:09] couldn't have worked out any better because you really drove from a half for
[18:13] district play and we went from game one to game ten and it'll be a double
[18:17] feature because it obviously be senior night since it's a last-home game so
[18:22] what better senior night than against your archer rival so, and in homecoming is
[18:29] uh, the 20th of second-home game which I believe is the 23rd. So you start out
[18:35] home and then you're away home for a game. It's both two games. Yeah, and then
[18:40] come back home for a homecoming so, do you guys have anything you're dying to share?
[18:45] How practical is it today?
[18:48] Well, congratulations, guys. It's all right, my best off today.
[18:54] Oh, what's the tailgating start? Is it?
[18:56] Well, it's tailgating is a five, five-thirty, the dog works at five-thirty. Down the alley there with the
[19:04] band leading in, gates open right after the dog walk at about five, uh, fifty and tailgating keeps
[19:11] going on until about six to twenty, but that's kind of the daily operations there for the
[19:18] tailgating and the festivities going on. We invite you out to see that, uh, Boucher Club is a great
[19:25] job. The community does a great job of getting involved with sponsoring the games and running
[19:30] the tailgate and everything. So it's just a great atmosphere.
[19:33] Coach, we have a co-deck moment back here. All right, let's see if there might be a round.
[19:37] Yeah.
[19:38] Yeah.
[19:39] Just say they'll nail one, two, two, you know, I need you to.
[19:54] There we go.
[19:58] Don't crush the coach.
[20:04] Coach, is it just me or is it, or are they getting bigger?
[20:19] Well, they're getting a pretty good side last.
[20:26] You know, and those paddles are bad, I'm sorry they're getting bigger and bigger.
[20:32] What's that?
[20:34] That's great.
[20:35] Who got time to share it for the game?
[20:37] This is perfect.
[20:39] Yeah. One more. Thank you so much.
[20:45] Thanks for coming.
[20:47] Thanks, Coach.
[20:49] Thank you.
[20:50] And we'll do a round for the opportunity.
[20:52] Coach, I love you.
[21:00] We had it been to a world-all home game in the last couple of years.
[21:04] They've really got a great tail-gating tradition started.
[21:07] And I would encourage any members of the public that haven't been lately to go out and check them out.
[21:12] I agree.
[21:13] Well, if that were to move on, a bank tide, I'm 14, which is discussion of proposed changes for the
[21:19] sort of charter.
[21:20] I'd just want to make a couple of developments in advance of the discussion.
[21:24] And we had the change in the form of city government and back in 2000.
[21:29] And that was an important change.
[21:31] I think it's a great one for our city and our community.
[21:33] I think we've made a lot of progress since then.
[21:35] But there were some charter issues even back then that probably should have been addressed and
[21:41] didn't get addressed.
[21:42] And it's time for us to cancel to take a look at those and bring ourselves further into the 20th or
[21:49] century.
[21:50] And so over the last couple of years when David was city attorney, we'd ask him to make some recommendations to the council.
[21:58] It's a change that he felt more important.
[22:02] And as Ben has come on board, we've asked him to review David's recommendations and incorporate
[22:08] any that he might also have.
[22:10] We're not necessarily going to try to tackle the entire charter.
[22:14] But there are certainly parts of it that need to be addressed and need to be brought up to
[22:20] modern standards, if you will.
[22:22] With that, I'm going to turn it over to either Dean or Ben.
[22:26] I'm going to.
[22:28] I think Ben.
[22:29] All right.
[22:30] Okay.
[22:31] So council members, this is a working progress.
[22:34] And you have at your seats this evening, a draft that has a few minor changes from
[22:42] what you would have received in your packet.
[22:45] Kristen and I are still working on various things here and we anticipate that there will be more
[22:50] changes as we work our way through this.
[22:53] But basically what we did is we took the last draft of David's work that we were able to find and started with that.
[23:06] There were a huge portions of the charter that were basically just our cake.
[23:16] I really had no business being in a charter.
[23:21] I suppose maybe in 1910 they had a place there, but they certainly didn't have a place today.
[23:29] In addition, there were a large number of provisions in the charter that were basically just taken from and quoting state statute.
[23:41] Which there's not particularly anything wrong with doing that, but the problem is that from the time to time the statutes are amended.
[23:49] And then you either have to likewise amend your charter, which is not an easy thing to do.
[23:57] It's certainly not as easy as amending a state statute.
[24:00] Well, you have an inconsistency between your charter and the state statutes.
[24:06] So, one of the things that I did, and it's in Article 1, Section 3, basically, we just
[24:17] are saying that except as otherwise, specifically set out in the charter, we're adopting
[24:25] the state law as it may apply, and as it may be amended so that we don't have to constantly
[24:34] be making changes with the charter.
[24:42] With taking those things out of the charter, it left huge gaps in what we had.
[24:52] You did those things, the Arcade, the Arcade items, and the state law.
[24:57] It's consistent.
[24:59] Right.
[25:00] Okay.
[25:01] So, there were some huge gaps in the entire charter.
[25:08] The charter, as it exists right now, it has nine different articles.
[25:13] There are several of the articles have nothing in it.
[25:17] Absolutely nothing.
[25:19] And so, what I thought was probably a better way to proceed, and I'll go into a little more detail
[25:28] on this in a little bit, is to consolidate it all into a more concise, and hopefully more logical document
[25:40] than things being spread out all over the place.
[25:44] Just as an example, under the current charter, most of the officers are described, and
[25:54] their duties set out in Article II, and as the mayor of the council, the city manager of the city clerk,
[26:04] but the treasure is, often, Article V, and they're just not a real logical basis for doing that.
[26:16] So, what I thought would be a better way to proceed was consolidate this all into four different articles.
[26:26] The first one basically setting out the powers of the city, the second one outlining who the officials of the city are,
[26:35] what their duties and responsibilities are, Article III deals with the meetings, and then Article IV deals with election issues.
[26:47] In the one in the version that was sitting on your desk this evening, the few just very few changes.
[27:00] changes that I wanted to talk about before I get into that, though, in removing the
[27:06] cake staff and removing the quotes from state statute that reduces the charter from 32
[27:13] pages down to 12 pages. And it's what easier document to follow. So those items that we were
[27:25] following the state documents on, how are we legally dealing with those particular issues now?
[27:33] As I say in the one provision article 1, Section 3, you're incorporating the state law,
[27:40] any state law that is applicable that is not contradictory what you've to what you have said
[27:47] out in the charter. Okay. Okay. So the charter controls.
[27:51] That's an important distinction because we're a charter community-cript. We have the right,
[27:56] as a community not to deviate in some areas, in some areas. And how and then the laws that we
[28:07] establish, I guess. In what you're saying is where there's not a conflict and we're just adopting the
[28:14] state law. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. So there are just a couple of changes that are reflected here
[28:26] in the document that you have at your seats this evening. In what I'd previously presented,
[28:35] it's in article 1, Section 1, we said that we were creating a city manager form of government.
[28:46] Well, we're not really doing that with this change. We're just continuing.
[28:51] That's a city manager change. The one of the questions that Christa asked and we had some discussion
[29:01] about was making sure that the, it's cleared the charter that the city manager has the authority
[29:14] to delegate those duties that he's given under the charter. And so we added a section. It is on page
[29:25] in terms of the seventh page. And again, it gives you as the city council the right to put
[29:38] restrictions on those delegations. So if you don't want something delegated, you can, you have the right
[29:47] to say that that duty will not be delegated. Where we are? I mean, well, it's in Section 9.
[29:53] So okay, I got you. I got you. I got you.
[30:00] And I'm not exactly sure, you know, the extent of any of the conversations before I got
[30:14] on board here, a great, like I mentioned earlier, a great deal of this was taken from
[30:22] what David's work was, so I don't know to what extent these had been discussed earlier.
[30:30] There are a couple of things, there are several minor changes, mostly wording changes that
[30:37] really don't substantively change what the charter provides.
[30:42] But there are a couple of places that it does have a significant difference, I think,
[30:48] it's a significant difference from what the prison charter provides.
[30:55] The first of those is the provision that I already mentioned that we're incorporating
[31:03] the state laws, as long as it's not inconsistent with this charter.
[31:07] That's a wholly new provision there on the fourth page of what you've heard from
[31:15] you, and I highlighted it in yellow, at the bottom of the page, that the current charter provides
[31:27] that there is no salary for serving on the city council.
[31:35] I'm assuming there's been some discussion about that, but I'm not positive, but in any of that, we
[31:42] have the provision here that the City Council members are entitled to share in the health
[31:50] insurance that other city employees are entitled to.
[31:55] That's not an unusual thing in this day and age.
[32:00] I know, for instance, members of the Miami School Board are entitled to receive their health insurance
[32:09] through holding that position.
[32:13] It goes on to provide that a salary may be set up by ordinance that would be in addition
[32:22] to the health insurance, but it goes on to specify, and this is required by the Oklahoma State
[32:31] Constitution, that if there is a change in salary, it cannot be effective during the term
[32:41] of anybody that is currently serving on and voting on that issue.
[32:47] Now, if you get reelected and you're starting a new term, after some sort of a salary has been
[32:56] voted in, then at that point you can start.
[33:00] receiving it, but you cannot receive it during whatever term it is that you're sitting on when
[33:08] such a salary is voted in. It doesn't say you have to. It just says that you can't.
[33:14] And the only disparity there is because terms are staggered. You could have. It would be a staggered.
[33:21] Could have directly started drawing a salary a year earlier than someone else. If they're work
[33:28] provisions for a second. Yeah, they're all staggered. There could be as much as a two year difference.
[33:34] Is that distinction also applied to the health insurance? No. Okay. So just the just if
[33:42] different fact, some future council made a decision to pass on the ordinance, then that would trigger
[33:50] the clock to ticking so to speak. But you, other members of that council would be eligible to
[33:55] leave it through an election cycle. Okay. Now, let me back up on the health insurance. You know,
[34:02] this is just a proposal. And certainly I want your feedback. We want what my goal is. And again,
[34:09] I'll get into this in a little more detail here in just a minute. But my goal is to come up with something
[34:15] as best we can that reflects what the five of you want and then we'll proceed from there. But if you don't
[34:23] want that in there on the health insurance, we can take it out. It just to me, it made sense that
[34:28] it should be in there. Now as I said earlier, but I think before the meeting started with the change in
[34:35] the former government was passed in 2000, I was with a lot of other people involved in that process.
[34:41] And I was one of the ones that's had strike the the paragraph that I think it was a hundred dollars
[34:47] a month is what the commissioners at the time got. I thought well, they're volunteers, but you know,
[34:52] having sat here now for 10 years. I see that not in sat here, but being involved in trying to recruit
[34:58] people to run for city council. I think that the salary part, but I'm not so worried, but I think
[35:04] something like the health insurance in particular is an important incentive that whoever future council
[35:13] members are, have available to them to recruit or just be in incentive for people to want to serve.
[35:19] Because everybody up here and now knows it's put a lot of time in it. And so I think it's appropriate
[35:26] contrast with how I felt 15 years ago or 16 years ago about it. So in essence, being your
[35:34] president and this to us and your point is, this is just a start, let's start this is a special
[35:41] resource. I'm surprised it shrank that much, but a million maybe I shouldn't be surprised. I know in
[35:48] David's version, you asked about the conversations about it. There were whole sections where he just said
[35:53] just, you know, superseded by state statutes or we're adopting state statute, whatever the phrase
[35:58] ology was.
[36:00] that certainly eliminated a lot.
[36:02] If someone wants to, in the future, if we take that approach and someone wants to know what
[36:09] is the law on this particular issue, right now they can go to the website and reference the
[36:15] charter.
[36:16] Are there going to be references under specific items?
[36:19] How will they find out what a, how will deal with the particular issue that's now part
[36:24] of the state statute?
[36:26] How are they, you know, the common light person, and what they research.
[36:29] It is just as easy to go online and get the state statutes now, I will say you have
[36:36] to know where to go up because there's 85 or 86 titles in the state statutes, not to
[36:45] mention the state constitution, but it's not that hard to navigate.
[36:52] Typically, there's four or five titles that deal with the issues that the city municipalities
[37:03] immunospality would deal with, total 11 being the primary one, that's, that is, immunospalities.
[37:09] Cities and towns, it's classified.
[37:16] The other major change that I, I've made from the current charter is the position of the
[37:25] city clerk.
[37:26] I put it in here, this is on the eighth page, it's section 13, and that also is highlighted in what
[37:39] you have.
[37:41] The city clerk is appointed by the city manager.
[37:48] That's more of a ministerial role, and so in my mind anyway, it's more appropriate for
[37:56] it to come under the administration aspect that the city manager provides.
[38:04] The city treasurer is still in this version appointed by youth at the council.
[38:12] The other major thing that I would want to point out is not a change, but how it stays the same.
[38:19] The election cycle, the cycle of terms for the council positions remains the same as they are right now.
[38:32] So if you, let's say this was voted in by the voters next year, and the mayor is the one that is up for election next year,
[38:46] you would still be up for election next year.
[38:48] And then whoever, the two, the rep for election, the following year are still up for election, the following year,
[38:55] and then the remaining two, the year after that.
[39:00] I'm just on that this out here.
[39:02] I'm not saying I'm foreign, it just may be a thought we may fight about.
[39:05] I know there's some communities do four-year term.
[39:09] I don't know whether that's something we might want to look at.
[39:11] I don't know.
[39:14] When we made the change, we went from two-year terms to three-year-stagger terms.
[39:19] So we have increased it 15 years ago, and the logic for this dagger terms was simply to provide
[39:27] a mechanism for institutional memory.
[39:31] When they had the change in the former government, I think four of the five council members,
[39:36] the mayor and three council members left, if you will, the next election cycle, I think
[39:42] Danny was the only one that remained active.
[39:47] So that's the purpose of the staggering, is just to provide that institutional memory.
[39:51] As far as the terms go, we did increase it from two to three, and it's my last term.
[39:58] So for example, there's nothing magical about it, it works out well mathematically.
[40:05] The four-year work, the three, with five member board counting the mayor, the mayor being the one by
[40:16] himself, and then the two on each of the other years.
[40:21] If you go to a four-year term, that compensates a little mathematically, nothing unsurmountable.
[40:32] So that's the just of my proposal, at this point in time, what I would suggest is that we continue
[40:44] to work on this, to get the draft, as I said, in a firm that is acceptable to you, to the
[40:51] five of you, as best we can, then start a public forum dialogue, expose it to the citizens, let them
[41:08] come in and ask questions and make suggestions, and go through that process.
[41:14] If there are other changes to be made after that, we can get those made, and then go to a vote of the people.
[41:22] What the format for the vote that I would be recommending is under Title 11, Section 13,
[41:31] Section 1112, it allows for, and I think that this is important, it allows to
[41:42] repeal your present charter, and at the same time, in the same vote, put in place your new charter.
[41:54] Because without doing that, it really gets complicated because, like I said, the current
[42:00] who has nine articles, the provisions that would be remaining or spread all over the place.
[42:07] So rather than trying to reach the juxtaposition of this one versus that one, just repeat
[42:15] it, then put it in place with the new provision with whatever it is that we have at that
[42:21] point.
[42:22] It is much easier to navigate on 12 pages.
[42:25] Yes.
[42:26] 32.
[42:27] I was a little overwhelming.
[42:30] So the bill, can you walk us through the calendar that you are recommending?
[42:35] Well, the election specifically.
[42:42] You also have it, you see, I believe, a commenter that shows what the election cycle is and
[42:57] quite frankly, at least you have got this and I have been studied at that.
[43:01] We would fit it in to work on this cycle, the regular election right now for the
[43:14] to fill your vacancy, which we will come about, is, before it's the highlighted one.
[43:23] Yes, there it is.
[43:24] They prefer the election.
[43:28] And at that same election, you can do propositions.
[43:37] So the resolution would be due January 20 if I'm reading this correctly, and there's of course
[43:45] the filing period for the election, but for the purposes of this particular item, January 20
[43:52] is when this resolution is due to the election board.
[43:57] Correct.
[43:58] And so from January 20 back, if we wanted to have some educational meetings, open meetings,
[44:07] forms, we're at the end of August now, so we would have to start that.
[44:13] So we have to give you time, but not that much time.
[44:16] So I would say certainly in November, at the latest, you'd want to be having those.
[44:21] Maybe I brought it after the general election because it's right before people are going to
[44:25] be perhaps distracted.
[44:27] And then leave us a lot of time to do changes though, I'd like to think about that a little bit.
[44:37] Back up just a little bit to one of your sort of questions earlier was, you know, comments,
[44:42] you weren't sure how much conversation had taken place before you came on the scene.
[44:48] And there's been a conversation over the years, I think, some of it, you know, as individuals
[44:52] would David those of us that have been here for a while.
[44:56] And in some of it, you know, in these forms, but it's
[45:00] It's really just always been around how do we get rid of the archaic stuff and how do we do what you described earlier
[45:07] rather than repeating what was at one time the state law that may have been changed and repealed,
[45:14] how do we simplify that and it sounds like that you've come up with mechanisms for dealing with both of those
[45:19] and it's just up to us to read through this now.
[45:22] I know that they did provide copies of the link to your document
[45:28] and I would ask that you do take the time to go through there and read through this if there's
[45:33] something that you think is, quote, missing, that's important and we need to come back and
[45:39] we, you know, the next meeting and talk about that and you know, why we think it's important but
[45:47] I'm pretty comfortable that Ben has captured at least 90 percent of what we're trying to accomplish
[45:54] just with the two steps he's taken already and that's all I've got to say and I don't know
[46:02] what we want to read through this tonight I would ask you to take it with you and read it.
[46:06] I would like to go ahead and put this on the next regular council agenda and know we've talked about doing this
[46:11] in work sessions but given that we don't have about a couple more of these until the November time
[46:19] I would like to at least have it as an agenda item for discussion if there's things that the
[46:24] particular council portion wants to bring up and that would be the insurance I'd like to see what that
[46:29] looks like if we could put some numbers together and see what possibly we'd be looking at first.
[46:34] Oh we could easily do that. One thing I just wanted to point out our next meeting is going to be on September
[46:40] 20th and then we would have the meeting up at least scheduled on September 27th which will be our study session
[46:46] so we could you know at the end of September we could have two meetings one after the other
[46:51] and two weeks. So so let's everybody try to get through this before that first meeting in the
[46:57] girl event on the meeting on the 20th is just to come back and say to staff here are the questions
[47:02] are being here's things we need you to think about probably next week's meeting.
[47:05] Yeah I think I couldn't get that there easily. I'm assuming that everybody has gotten a copy of
[47:13] what I got which is David's pretty extensive notes which really outlines a lot of the history of
[47:23] everything that we have in our charter at the present time. I thought that was very good but I didn't
[47:31] think it was necessary for purposes of what we were doing here. And I'd also just comment that David
[47:40] sent a text message late this afternoon with some other proposals which I have not had the chance to
[47:48] look at. So there may be some other things that he came up with after soon after he should be viewed
[47:55] as a child we're going to be a lot. I just hadn't read it but there's a chart for a change.
[48:00] to do was give us kind of some historical context,
[48:03] which I think is helpful to know why it looks the way it looks.
[48:10] But what we're going to end up though
[48:16] with is something nice and clean like this.
[48:18] I think it even David's version ultimately
[48:20] would have got us in the same spot just without the history.
[48:25] OK?
[48:27] Any other questions for a being on this issue?
[48:32] OK, thank you, Ben.
[48:34] We are then going to move out of 15, which is staff reports,
[48:39] so we're going to put it in your packet and stand.
[48:43] Was it available if you have questions?
[48:44] I've got one, if no boils.
[48:46] There's anything, right?
[48:48] You know, I bet on our sugar.
[48:51] I believe toward the end of this month, which is a couple of days.
[48:55] And it sounds like we're probably getting down to a punch list.
[48:58] Oh, I was at the end of the show.
[49:00] And I don't know, shall we?
[49:01] OK.
[49:01] So I think we're getting down to a punch list.
[49:03] And we're actually talking about starting to work on some kind of a
[49:07] dedication, the signage, and things such as that.
[49:10] So we're right there, but I believe sometime after Labor Day
[49:15] will start going on with it.
[49:17] Anything else?
[49:19] OK, a city manager to be in case is deep.
[49:21] I have two items.
[49:22] I want to just remind everybody.
[49:25] We have already posted this on our Facebook page,
[49:28] and we've reposted it.
[49:29] But as part of the road projects that we're working on with
[49:32] also in associates, we had kind of a survey and suggestions from
[49:37] citizens, and we've had a lot of them already.
[49:40] And we've just reposted it, and also to remind you that we're actually
[49:44] going to have a live meeting on September 1st in the banquet room here at
[49:49] the Civic Center from 5 to 8 p.m.
[49:51] If you ever been to one of these, basically, it's very similar to what we
[49:54] did when we did our comprehensive plan.
[49:56] We'll have different maps and signage sheets set up and by
[50:00] citizens to come and basically, if they just want to say, you know,
[50:04] the street in front of my house needs attention, or they have concerns about
[50:08] their utilities, they have the ability to come in and do that.
[50:11] The public participation that we wanted to have as part of this project,
[50:15] or a reminder that we want to have a kind of finished product,
[50:19] taking care of my October 31st.
[50:21] That's what's in our contract with Olson.
[50:23] And long before then, we want to start bringing you some of the results.
[50:27] So that'll probably be something we'll be doing in late September early October as well.
[50:31] So it's an opportunity for our citizens, and as I said,
[50:34] we're getting a lot of good feedback as it is right now.
[50:37] So if you're available on, we'll be putting out a notice of attendance for you
[50:43] if you want to come for that as well.
[50:45] That's Thursday.
[50:46] That's Thursday from 5 to 8.
[50:48] It's coming out.
[50:49] So there's no program with people show up at 7.55 and they want to give us some feedback.
[50:55] That's fine.
[50:56] Now, you mentioned originally, we start talking about the road program.
[51:00] And then you also mention utilities utilities will follow a month after that, and this also
[51:04] Yes, because we have to we have that finished product at the end of November
[51:08] But what we've done is we've combined both so we're having comments that are about roads
[51:13] We have comments about utility problems as well and issues for attention
[51:21] Also an associate's representatives will be here. Yes, for the rather part and then there's no utilities
[51:26] Yes, but for this meeting is for both roads
[51:30] And utilities but what also in his doing is they will have one
[51:34] Program for roads which is due on October 31st and then a secondary program on utilities
[51:40] Which is due on no bet at the end of November when you're saying program you mean a
[51:45] Recommendations what projects to start working on how we kind of combine both
[51:52] Projects that we go out to bid for and projects that we do in house
[51:55] So on this September 1st meeting they're going to have their recommendation. No, that what this is
[52:02] This is a public meeting. This is to get information from our system. They're providing no information to this is a lot
[52:08] They've been it's an opportunity for our citizens can to come in and talk to us and again
[52:13] It's roads and utility roads and utilities are to absolutely
[52:17] Okay, the second item is on Friday, or excuse me Saturday, September 3rd at
[52:22] 130 the class of 1966 will be doing the unveiling of the seat owns both more
[52:28] So I'm kind of happy to see that come to
[52:33] Class of 1966, yes, and if you want to attend again we'll do a notice of the attendance for you
[52:41] If you'd like to be there and we have a tariff over it, so we'll be able to kind of do the actual unveiling
[52:48] We're not I think we'll have members of the Steve Owens family there and we'll also have members of the Ted Watts family there as well
[52:54] And J.D. Stauder we got I think is leading all this because she's part of the class of 1966 as well
[53:00] And our coosaut of real estate bank is kind of enough to let us park in his parking lot at the new well state banks
[53:07] There should be ample parking if you want to be there as well. I have a text message today said somebody said I think somebody from all
[53:15] Where she's scheduled this and the problem with that is what
[53:25] He's still a way
[53:32] That's case one was out of my apartment
[53:36] Maybe we'll be 15 and a half time. We'll have to worry about it depends on who's at that 50 and nothing
[53:41] That's true okay
[53:44] That's true to
[53:46] Okay, and that's it for me
[53:50] That's it
[53:52] That's it
[53:53] Any other comments if not I am 17 is
[54:00] I'll see you in a second.
[54:02] I'll see you in a second.
[54:04] Okay roll call please.
[54:05] Western.
[54:06] Aye.
[54:07] I.
[54:08] Forster.
[54:09] Aye.
[54:10] Show.
[54:11] Thank you everyone.
[54:12] Please register.