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[00:00] I have nine as no recommendation for appointment of Lynn for appointment by him again.
[00:04] I'm going to the Department of Florida to complete the unit, and I'm inspired by Brent
[00:08] Brassfield for a term of the expire 829-22 long time, seven year terms on that board.
[00:15] I talked to four men of Brassfield the other day, and he has served not only as mayor for
[00:20] long time, but also on the MBI board, and he's just really got a lot of other things going
[00:26] on, and has to be replaced if possible, and I know that being in talk to Lynn, and I think
[00:33] she's not standing nominee, and so I'm putting four third name for you, consideration.
[00:39] Oh, my turn.
[00:40] Most of the improvement of the recommendation is going to be on for appointment to the MBI.
[00:44] Okay.
[00:45] We have a second.
[00:46] Second.
[00:47] We'll call please.
[00:48] Joseph.
[00:49] What's then?
[00:50] Aye.
[00:51] Forster.
[00:52] Aye.
[00:53] Aye.
[00:54] I don't think there's ordinance to zero on seven national away, which is basically the
[00:59] same item that we go with in the SUA meeting, the MSUA meeting, which again just to reiterate,
[01:09] is putting off any increases in the usage rates on utilities until April of 2018, but the monthly
[01:20] customer charge will go up 30 days and 80 cents, so we're almost 80 cents, 30 days after
[01:26] the passage of this ordinance.
[01:28] There are no questions at entertain a motion.
[01:31] I'll make a motion there.
[01:32] And a second.
[01:33] I'll say hello.
[01:34] We'll call please.
[01:35] Weston.
[01:36] Weston.
[01:37] Weston.
[01:38] Time for aster.
[01:39] Aye.
[01:40] Joseph.
[01:41] Aye.
[01:42] And item number 11 is ordinance two.
[01:43] Just zero one seven oh nine, which again, just like in the MSUA meeting is a meeting, the
[01:49] purchase power, adjustment schedule, the PPA, so that at any point, anticipated not until 2018,
[01:56] although something could happen, but in effect 30 days after, we have, if we approve
[02:01] this ordinance, if there are any negative PCA adjustments from GRDA, those differences would not
[02:11] be passed on, but instead would be retaining in a walkbox for capital improvements to our electrical
[02:18] system.
[02:19] Do we have a motion to approve item 11?
[02:22] Make a motion to approve.
[02:23] And a second.
[02:24] I'll second.
[02:25] We'll call please.
[02:26] First.
[02:27] Aye.
[02:28] Weston.
[02:29] Aye.
[02:30] Johnson.
[02:31] Aye.
[02:32] All right.
[02:33] I'm 12.
[02:34] It's said, did C17102 for a street improvement, which cracks in the market, so it's an
[02:39] pavement marking, Alicia, or even not?
[02:42] Well, how are you?
[02:44] Good.
[02:45] Mike.
[02:47] Okay.
[02:49] We opened the beds last Friday.
[02:51] Good.
[02:52] One bed.
[02:53] And it was from Vans Brothers, and it was for 308.
[02:58] Vans Brothers.
[02:59] Vans Brothers.
[03:00] 766138 and the list that we're going to be talking about in the next item was on there.
[03:09] I feel very comfortable with fans, but there's other ones that did the last micro-surfacing
[03:14] that we did.
[03:15] We had estimated this to be about a $700,000 deal and they came in extremely low and I didn't
[03:23] question them a lot on that, why they came in so low on it, but I made sure that they
[03:27] did.
[03:28] They said they were going to do what we asked them to do.
[03:30] We're thinking maybe the oil prices last time were extremely high last year and we had
[03:36] three different companies.
[03:38] So when you added it up and you had your fans' brothers and you had the striping company
[03:45] and you had the crack and sale company that that possibly gave us a break on that.
[03:50] Because they're doing all three.
[03:52] They're taking care of all three because if you'll remember the last time that we did
[03:56] it, we were kind of held up on our micro-surfacing because we were waiting on the crack
[04:02] ceiling.
[04:03] From the other company this, we'll solve that problem because it will be a seamless.
[04:08] So you're comfortable with the quality of what they've done for worse in the past and you're
[04:12] comfortable that even though the number came in considerably lower than expected, they
[04:17] understand what the specs are and it'll meet those specs.
[04:20] Yes.
[04:21] We had several conversations and they even attended the pre-bid meeting that we have.
[04:26] And you fill the reason you didn't have anybody else, there's nobody else wanted to do it.
[04:30] I mean why do you, you know, the micro-surfacing there about that only people around here
[04:37] that they're there, they're huge, they're just familiar with what else we're ironed and that's that.
[04:45] So I think they're the only, that's why we got them now.
[04:48] The crack ceiling, I can't tell you why we didn't get other people to bid on that.
[04:52] And you'd think with some competition, they're pricing would have been even lower, but
[04:56] I think the crack ceiling's a totally different deal.
[05:01] And so they might not have been able to get somebody, they might, the crack ceiling contractors might not have been able to get
[05:07] a micro-silling surfacing contractor to go in conjunction with it.
[05:10] Because you did it, the bill was a package.
[05:12] It was not.
[05:13] It was not.
[05:14] It was not.
[05:15] It's been a bit piece milling it out because we didn't want to run into what we ran into.
[05:19] The delays for us want to get this one done quickly.
[05:22] So the challenge is how do we make sure there is aggressive next time?
[05:26] Yes.
[05:27] So I mean, it sounds like we've got a good deal this time, and we should be thankful for that.
[05:32] But we need to, well, seriously, we need to, next time we go off to bed, make sure that everybody stays really competitive.
[05:39] And, at least you read, it's just explained for anybody that's watching the kind of the route with this crack ceiling and micro-surfacing.
[05:46] It was low that was due for the roads that we want to...
[05:50] Right.
[05:51] So you mean, you meant brief on that just a little bit if you don't mind.
[05:55] Oh.
[05:56] Also, in an associate's stead, I wrote assessment for us.
[06:00] and they labeled categorize the streets as zero's ones,
[06:05] two, three, fours and five's, and our twos just need to be
[06:11] crack sealed, they are in the higher the number,
[06:13] the worse the shape of the road.
[06:15] This will take care of most of our threes that we have
[06:19] that will be able to save and we'll be out the money
[06:21] to rebuild or to have to go in and mill an overlay.
[06:25] And so what we did was we tried to take streets that
[06:29] were in areas that when we got the microsurfacing
[06:32] and the crack sealing done in this area
[06:34] and we did the crack sealing in house
[06:36] that would pretty much take care of that area
[06:38] and we could move on to another area
[06:40] and that was our whole goal behind the streets
[06:44] that we have listed on the microsurfacing.
[06:48] Please keep in mind we are still going to be doing the maintenance
[06:52] that we can do on the fours and the five
[06:54] so that the people that live on those streets
[06:56] are going to be totally forgotten.
[06:57] Well because I think that was one of my biggest concerns
[06:59] when going into this, I was kind of close minded to the fact
[07:03] that you know, and I'm only going to speak for my wardens
[07:05] what I've heard from the people in my ward
[07:07] and there's a couple of streets over there
[07:09] and I think I've expressed it to me
[07:11] and it's a hard traffic area for that school
[07:13] and there's a certain path people take
[07:15] and that road's rough and when I look at your map
[07:19] it looks like it's a future CIP and that's what's going to hit on it.
[07:23] So we're not stopping our current construction
[07:27] and this is in addition to what we were going to do.
[07:30] And this will make it to what we can leave those alone
[07:33] and concentrate on those other streets.
[07:35] It frees up more time to be able to do those
[07:38] and our next goal is to do what we call the fours and five.
[07:43] So I'm sure that's probably...
[07:45] Yeah, it's not really, yeah, it's a manual street over there.
[07:48] And we've got high traffic, so that'll be one that we're going to work
[07:52] at first on fours and our fives.
[07:55] So we recommend Van Sprenerish to do the Microsoft Service
[07:59] in the fours, fours and fours and fours and fours and fours and fours and fours.
[08:01] And whatever they start at you guys, we're recording the public
[08:06] for sure.
[08:07] We're still going to shut down because...
[08:08] Yes.
[08:09] And if we do it in advance, it's always better than the day off.
[08:12] That was one of the criteria that they communicated with us
[08:16] with a schedule so that we could notify the public
[08:19] and kind of keep everybody on a good line of communication.
[08:24] So it's a good experience.
[08:25] Anyway, one of the things that's processed last year was how quickly they've moved.
[08:29] I think we've actually got ahead of us in our notifications.
[08:32] They were moving so fast.
[08:33] So I think we'll get that information out quite a bit earlier this time.
[08:37] Okay.
[08:38] Winston, when would this start?
[08:40] Well, they have to get their insurance and everything.
[08:43] The process is we've accepted you all will accept the ban.
[08:47] You're going to approve the contract if you so choose
[08:50] and that is contingent upon them getting their bonds and their insurance
[08:53] and everything.
[08:54] We do a notice to proceed.
[08:56] The contract does say that they have to be done in 120 days.
[09:00] So from the point in time that they began, it's a 120 day completion day.
[09:05] And assuming this is approved once that lead time between today and the notice to proceed.
[09:11] Um, you were from 10 days to two weeks.
[09:14] Okay. So we fully expect them to be motivated,
[09:19] started by the rising budget.
[09:21] And they feel they are very comfortable with it and are extremely happy about getting it done.
[09:30] Getting it done and are ready to go.
[09:33] You're scared of me by saying that.
[09:35] Not sure, quickly.
[09:37] So do we have a must to approve?
[09:39] Do you do?
[09:40] Second.
[09:41] Second.
[09:42] Well, all plates.
[09:43] Something.
[09:44] A quarter.
[09:45] A quarter.
[09:46] All right.
[09:47] So.
[09:48] I am willing to add as I am 13 street maintenance update.
[09:51] Let me do a quick introduction because of that.
[09:54] That's my collection, Sean.
[09:57] The last time when we had our presentation to about Sean's study,
[10:02] I better bet I felt a little bad.
[10:04] I think there was a comment like,
[10:07] I felt like we had done this study and it looked like very little had been done to my
[10:12] industries.
[10:13] And nothing could be further down from the truth.
[10:15] And I asked them to put together a program and kind of a presentation that
[10:20] gave you an idea of everything that's been done to date and then what are
[10:25] plans from here for this summer and for future years.
[10:30] Granted, when you hit a pot hole, it drives me crazy like everybody else.
[10:35] But since I've moved back, I noticed some hitting fewer of them.
[10:39] And a lot of our materials, streets, are actually very good shape right now.
[10:43] So we wanted to just kind of go over everything including what you've just approved
[10:48] and then what the next steps are going to be.
[10:51] So.
[10:52] I noticed the tireless is 2011.
[10:54] 2012.
[10:55] So basically this starts with when the contested the bond issue and the
[11:00] folder, that's the bond issue.
[11:01] Exactly.
[11:02] And I'll let them go ahead and make a presentation.
[11:04] Does that think it's pretty impressive actually?
[11:06] And I'm going to defer to my call on this because he was part of the
[11:09] street department when this was going on.
[11:12] But in front of you, you've got a list.
[11:15] And just so you know, if you're tied this in red,
[11:18] it's going to coincide with your red with your red lines.
[11:21] And so on and stuff.
[11:22] What you're trying to keep a call on code and so do you.
[11:25] And then we're staying.
[11:30] So it's only done as we went back and load.
[11:35] And the ones you have here in red in 2011, 2012, the street tax.
[11:39] So that's when we first started the program and many of the streets that will redone.
[11:44] A lot of them streets that you're going to be on there were reconstructed.
[11:48] Your first one right here at BJ Tunnel from D Street to J Street.
[11:51] We did chemically treating a lot of them back then.
[11:55] So a lot of them were chemically treated and completely rebuilt.
[12:00] And we have D Street on there from Goodrich.
[12:02] There's just a lot of streets that we completely rebuilt in the first year.
[12:05] And a lot of them were high traffic areas that was kind of where they wanted to go with that.
[12:10] So we went back and tried to find all the information we could on them.
[12:14] And he's got him right here and we're able to a lot of them that we've read done.
[12:20] Do you find observation I think I want to make?
[12:24] Is that I mean we built a lot of streets and we did a tremendous job doing it but we
[12:31] kind of learned along and why that we didn't have to go as far against on some of us as we did.
[12:38] And we can stretch our money further. Correct.
[12:40] So would you re-articulate that battery that you were shown that I just did?
[12:45] I know Sean touched on in a meeting a month or two ago.
[12:48] Can you just repeat for the citizens going to fit
[12:51] when I just tried to describe most of the rebuilt streets?
[12:55] You can just put it there you go.
[12:57] Most of the rebuilt streets were kind of one typical section fits all.
[13:02] We're going to use this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,
[13:05] base, we're going to go fix streets and it's everywhere in town.
[13:09] And moving forward we'd probably like to start looking at here's what we're going to start doing on
[13:14] our residential streets. And we may be able to thin that up, might be able to use something a little
[13:18] different in our sub-grates and maybe save a little bit of dollars on some of those.
[13:24] Now some of your higher traffic streets they may get built the exact same as they are right now.
[13:28] So I'll say we're going to change everything, but if we can quick do a little bit of studies and
[13:34] some traffic counts and see if we can thin them sections that'll save you money and we put some of that
[13:40] somewhere else. Okay. Thank you. Go ahead.
[13:43] So we did a lot of them and then the CIP 2011 2016 that's just more of the streets that we've done.
[13:52] Some of it is some crash ceiling and micro-surfacing.
[13:57] A lot of it is more of that than the reconstruct. There is maybe a few reconstructs on there.
[14:03] 13th there the number one that was a reconstruct. But there's a lot of, there's some of them that are also
[14:09] cracked ceiling and micro-surfacing and then also the alleys. I think we've done five alleys downtown.
[14:15] They're in that as well. That's just kind of the timeframe in there when we use that.
[14:20] So the title for those is 2011 2016 CIP. But what's some of that bond money or was it?
[14:28] I believe some of it was. I don't know exactly the exact, when the bond money ran out,
[14:34] right. Maybe it was 2014 when it ran out and I couldn't find exactly when that street was done.
[14:41] And that's what I thought because I know we didn't scream power up in the two of you.
[14:46] Yes. Yeah. Some of the purple streets was a combination of the rest of the bond money as well as
[14:52] whatever funds that had built up in this street. Now they find from when we started setting the money aside.
[15:00] Yeah, I think most of the alleyways with the time we got to them, the bond money had already went.
[15:06] And we wasn't coming.
[15:07] Mark, were you telling everybody what CIP stands for?
[15:10] Capital and Group and Project.
[15:12] Okay.
[15:13] So basically the money that you had five to did for your straight apartment, that was our capital after the project.
[15:19] When it says future,
[15:21] we just can't put a date on that.
[15:23] Well, if we could listen, let's move ahead of time.
[15:26] Yeah, because we do need to talk about what will happen in the future after ice.
[15:30] So down here in the green, on the 2017 macro surfacing,
[15:34] that's street debt.
[15:35] What?
[15:36] Okay, we just put the blue up and you haven't talked about the blue.
[15:39] Okay.
[15:40] Bullshit.
[15:41] Bullshit.
[15:42] Bullshit.
[15:43] Bullshit.
[15:44] Bullshit.
[15:45] Bullshit.
[15:46] Bullshit.
[15:47] Bullshit.
[15:48] Bullshit.
[15:49] Bullshit.
[15:50] Bullshit.
[15:51] Bullshit.
[15:52] Bullshit.
[15:53] Bullshit.
[15:55] Now some of your whole money they have bought in that time,
[15:57] that's last five to 10.
[15:58] The 2011-16 coordinates, are the ones where I could specifically find that all you did was a slippery steal.
[16:06] A or a crack seal or a marker cert saying,
[16:08] I can't do those walking this.
[16:09] It's not getting any.
[16:10] Ok, so they came in is a blue.
[16:12] So on this list of Screams you got.
[16:15] you've got. Purple candles, both of those purple and blue on the map. So they're both thrown
[16:22] in the inner and the inner and the inner and the inner. And the risk you have is color-coded with this,
[16:27] suddenly. And then that leaves us to the green, which is in the 2017 high-cerves, and that's
[16:35] what's slated for man's brush, we'll hold this up. That you all just approved.
[16:43] Mike, I can, I'm sorry, go ahead. The green, the 2017 marker servicing is the list that you all
[16:49] just approved. It might for advanced brothers to come in here in the next month or so and get started off.
[16:54] So if all goes well by July August, you will, all of these streets on the maps will have been
[17:03] improved as part of our projects from 2011. So they will have some maintenance from rebuilds done.
[17:11] In a estimate of the mileage, you've got 116 miles. We have touched half of it since 2011.
[17:20] When you look up there, it looks like it, but there is a lot of streets that's been touched.
[17:25] You've also got a lot of resident history still out there. That's a big challenge.
[17:29] In that future that you ask for, that's where those are. So anything that's still the three more
[17:35] line that I have already done, they've all had to be built out of the map. And I'll just, in a reason I ask
[17:42] that is because that's who we hear from the most is the residents. My street didn't get touch and I understand it.
[17:47] I mean, it's a big elephant with put in bite at a time and so we're trying to do this methodically enough
[17:55] that with the funds that we have to touch all those streets.
[18:01] Any other questions?
[18:03] I had one I actually talked about whatever was going to have to write about something up.
[18:07] But I would be behind friendship, housing, and progress.
[18:11] There's very thing we can do there.
[18:13] I'm surprised getting homes employees and sitting think about that.
[18:17] That's awful.
[18:18] I haven't went and patched that thing many times with Limerock.
[18:21] A contractor went through there and did some work.
[18:25] That...
[18:26] It's a mess.
[18:28] The only thing really that we can do was to keep patching it with Limerock or redo it.
[18:34] Every single business there has a cut at it.
[18:39] And when they did it, all the concrete slab has sunk down.
[18:43] Other than maybe just putting a Limerock in it, it's a bad shape.
[18:52] Right, exactly.
[18:53] Because that is something about the future that we're talking about.
[18:57] We have concrete streets, and we have concrete alleys that have not been touched.
[19:02] And that's something that we're looking at doing for our future.
[19:05] One of the things that I've shown I talked about today is we're looking at doing what we would consider an annual bid for our concrete work.
[19:14] And pricing it at 1,000 square feet, 2,500 square feet on what we would get.
[19:21] And we would be able to get the contractor in and say, this is what we want you to fix.
[19:27] And give him a 30 day window to get it fixed.
[19:30] That alley would be something that would be on that because it is a concrete alley.
[19:34] And they would go in and fix it.
[19:37] A lot of it is our concrete panels for our streets.
[19:40] Those are huge.
[19:41] We've got a lot of concrete streets that there's just a panel that's messed up.
[19:45] And this would be a way for us to get our panels fixed.
[19:48] And get it done in a timely manner and much, much faster than our concrete could get it done.
[19:53] I mean, you get a whole crew out there say you get a construction company to come in and do it.
[19:58] They can get it done in 30 days.
[20:00] And then we can move on.
[20:02] So that would probably be something that we would be looking at on that.
[20:06] Well, otherwise that's future, but right now it's horrible.
[20:10] Well, we're talking future like trying to get it going this summer.
[20:13] Yes.
[20:14] Okay.
[20:15] I mean, I understand that the concrete repairs on concrete streets.
[20:19] And if one of the things that I asked me is why are we going back with concrete?
[20:23] And I understand at one time it was cheaper.
[20:25] Are we going to evaluate streets that we're going to be redeeming?
[20:28] Well, you know, it is concrete, but it's cheaper to go back.
[20:31] We're the asphalt and say the money.
[20:34] I mean, I'm not people who understand that we're not just replacing concrete because that's what it's always been.
[20:39] We're looking at cost.
[20:40] Is that correct?
[20:42] One of the things that we're looking at is on the concrete streets is to not go in and replace the whole street.
[20:49] We have some streets that in a block section it needs three panels replace and a panels maybe 10 by 12.
[20:57] Let's just replace them three panels.
[21:00] That's good to go. And then that's what I understand. But if you go up first treat, yes, there'll be a cost. We'll look at both costs
[21:06] We'll look with what Shawn's made up. What's going to be the cost difference? How deep do we need to do it?
[21:11] What's going to be the most? Yeah, but type of most effective way the bank for the buck. Yes
[21:18] What I'm understanding is is it full of concrete for heavier stuff. I mean, then you're the way that out like you start about out of the way that we're our trash trucks are up and down
[21:26] So you kind of weigh that out
[21:27] Yeah, let's concrete even though it's a little might be a little bit more here. The lifespan of it is drastically
[21:34] Better than if we went with that spot. And that's the pay off for it
[21:38] So the concrete streets were in the last few longer than that small street and that night
[21:43] That's that you have to pay for every so often on that asphalt street
[21:47] You need to look at that in life
[21:49] Right, what that all costs you would get done. And that's one of those things and I'm assuming that's
[21:55] That's what you guys are doing and I just want to make sure that that we all
[22:00] Diving all those eyes and crossing those teeth for that aspect of fine argument or after the bond issue passed
[22:07] There was this conversation and it's like okay the concrete street lasts 50 years and it may not be exactly right
[22:13] And asphalt three glass 12 and then you've got to redo it
[22:18] But originally the concrete projections were so much higher than we saw in a way for them
[22:22] And then for whatever reason when they started getting the bills that came back in
[22:26] barely much more comfortable
[22:28] And so someone saying why we build new concrete streets here for years ago
[22:33] It made sense then it may not make sense next year
[22:36] Right, we're talking about but I certainly repairing those makes sense and at the time it made sense when we didn't initially
[22:42] Maybe it was going to
[22:44] And I believe at the time there wasn't that much more expensive do concrete
[22:47] Yeah, that's what I mean
[22:49] Actually build it out is shocked up how close they were in price
[22:54] And one of the other things we have to look at when we redo a street too is the drainage
[22:59] Is it actually a good drainage if we can't get the proper drainage?
[23:02] We want do we really want to go with the concrete?
[23:04] It'll hold up with the water compared to asphalt water, so
[23:08] It just various things
[23:10] There are a lot of moving parts in trying to make sure that we get like Mike said the biggest thing for our buck
[23:15] So they're working diligently on that
[23:18] One of one of the things that I kind of wanted to touch on very quickly is right now
[23:23] We are very busy with the EP build of ego picture building getting it
[23:28] Getting it covered up and done once that gets done our plan for this summer is
[23:33] We are going to start practicing the roads that just need to be crack-cylinder
[23:36] And we're going to do that in-house
[23:38] We've got a crack-cylinder machine and we will be doing that and then we're going to start getting the parking lot behind chapters ready to go
[23:45] And just improving we've got the great alley and we're going to improve yes, sir
[23:51] Well you've been catching you know, stop talking about you know, you bought the plant and I was going to be there last time and that was the parking lot
[23:58] You know
[24:00] when drugs that were they removed the center. Is that going to be, is that what we're looking
[24:04] out from being at doing that thing in our eyes? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
[24:08] I mean, the future will be moving more well.
[24:10] And we're not too distant future, actually, because we wanted to get this one done. I feel
[24:14] remember, as part of Route 66 landing, the parking lot that is, I believe it's between first
[24:19] street and second. We've got money from Route 66 landing that will be doing something very
[24:25] similar. There will be adding parking spaces taking out some of the landscaping,
[24:29] this has gone to see that it's just to make this problem, creating more parking, and then doing
[24:35] the slurry seal and striping so they're revitalized. And then also the one behind the tag office,
[24:44] I think, is there our biggest challenge right now? That's a huge challenge. That one is not any of the
[24:50] fix with just a slurry seal. We're going to have to go in and do some more on it, because it's been patched
[24:57] and patched and patched. And that's going to take a little more work. We also are going to try to fix
[25:03] the pop, we call it the pocket park, but it's right there where Route 66 parking is going to be.
[25:11] I don't remember, it was where Dr. Fuchs had his, his dental business and the other business in there.
[25:17] We're going to clear that out so that there could be maybe something better put in there or it's just
[25:22] going to see. Yeah, it's just going to clear it out. It's going to improve the downtown and make it look
[25:26] better. And then, of course, we've got the incidentals at case-in-point central, the water cut. We want to start
[25:35] trying to get caught up on water cuts and things like that who are working tandem with our,
[25:40] our utility side so that we can get the water cuts and the maintenance things like that done.
[25:45] And then get the concrete bed going and start really getting rolling the concrete streets done. So that's
[25:51] kind of our plan for the summer and then we're going to, as soon as we, we have a, we call it
[25:57] the zipper and we've got it to where it's running and we're going to get some practice done on that and then we
[26:02] want to tackle in front of the Coleman to try to get the drainage. Might explain what the zipper is.
[26:08] It is a machine that is kind of, it will mill it, but it's not like a big milling machine. We just put it on a
[26:13] front end loader and it, it, it mills a three foot area. So it's, it's for small jobs. It's what it is
[26:21] like we can go in and if there's a place we can mill that and overlay that and overlay the whole road.
[26:28] If there's just the areas, intersections to get them straightened out to where they'll, they'll be smoother.
[26:33] So it's just a small milling machine for us to be able to use. It's kind of calling in and having to
[26:39] do a bit for all the big milling jobs. That's so. Sounds like we've got a lot of work. Let's get a job for this.
[26:48] I've seen it and get it to put raining and get some things, stuff down. And will you, from time to time,
[26:57] update us, we certainly will. Just be happy too.
[27:00] Okay, I think of every this is the overarching things since I've been back and I think we're getting a much better handle on it now
[27:07] But we have a long way to go
[27:11] Thank you
[27:13] I don't 14 is continue to discuss discussion and proposed FY 2017
[27:18] 2018 budget we want to make sure we had an agenda item here
[27:23] There are other questions. I do have one item that I want to bring up
[27:26] I was thinking Neil I serve on the MDRA authority and that authority has an outstanding loan and the amount of 98,000 and some change
[27:39] Set right to your 90 or any 6. 96,000 and some change that originated back in
[27:48] 2000 and to read I believe
[27:58] Anyway, it was when they put in some clockwork and they did some other improvements
[28:06] You know over the years of being
[28:08] Several loans at the MDRA took out to continue to do improvements to the facility and this is kind of the last legacy loan
[28:15] And I think that's out there and
[28:17] When we were looking at the MDRA budget recently, they budgeted 11,000
[28:23] I think it's 85 or something like that for payments
[28:26] We asked the bank to go ahead and work out because they just been paying interest only for a long time on this and paying
[28:31] Principal when they came and the friends of the coal were helping with the loans
[28:35] Helping with payments on that to in fact they paid off one of them recently
[28:39] So this is the last loan that's there. I think this year I figured the other day interest on it or for 12 months three was going to be the
[28:45] Over 4,000 dollars
[28:47] And so what I wanted to ask the council if they would consider is taking that money from their
[28:53] rainy day fund
[28:55] Not from the M.S. U.A. but from their rainy day fund, some are what we're doing on this building and
[29:01] And letting MDRA pay that loan off in the RAA would still have an amortization schedule where they would in their budget each year
[29:09] Pay that rainy day fund back and not saying that MDRA wouldn't be responsible
[29:14] But we're probably getting maybe a half percent on the money that we have right now on our rainy day funds in various banks
[29:21] We're paying 4.75% for this loan and I mean it is a separate authority, but it's the city's building
[29:27] It's a reality of it and
[29:30] Ultimately if it doesn't get paid the city's land that being responsible not that it wouldn't get paid
[29:35] But I just feel like we're not being
[29:38] Prudent with that money to be paying 4.75% when we've got money sitting in the bank at a half percent or once and so I would like for to consider
[29:48] Paying that off and just letting MDRA pay back the rainy day fund
[29:54] I think it would take about eight years based on the current amortization
[30:00] maybe I think it was going to be 10 and a half years with interest to the bank.
[30:05] Joe, someone that sent me an amortization schedule and lens that I think the total interest
[30:10] was going to be 26,000 over the life of the law for the public payments.
[30:16] So we don't have to make a decision on that tonight, but it's the issue that I want to bring
[30:20] out for everyone to think about and then if the council decides to move forward with that.
[30:25] Well, Leon, I'll talk with the MDRA about it, which I'm sure they would be happy to not have to
[30:31] pay the interest.
[30:32] I think it's a great idea.
[30:35] I would appreciate it, not necessarily committing you to it, but if it sounds like a good idea,
[30:42] I'd like to be able to put those numbers in the budget so they're going to be presenting to you
[30:47] next month.
[30:48] So I mean, as I said, you can even not approve of it, but it would be good for us to be able to
[30:55] ascend that you are.
[30:56] And Joe, I want to declare from the notes that you said, me, this has nothing to do with M.S.U.A. and
[31:02] transversive M.S.U.A.
[31:04] So this would just be picking one out of any day you find it and paying it back over a period of time.
[31:10] Do you think that?
[31:11] M.S.U.A.
[31:13] Mayor, can I ask what's the interest rate you consider it?
[31:18] I have not considered one actually, do you think we need to?
[31:23] No, but I'll do some research to look at that.
[31:28] Okay.
[31:31] If we take the money out of the rainy day, so I'm a little hammer tool we have lived.
[31:35] I know I've got that information, but I've got about $2 million.
[31:39] Thank you.
[31:41] It's just like three after a hour.
[31:43] We took up the money if we were the way we thought of it.
[31:46] We required to keep the certain dollar amount in the rainy day.
[31:51] No, they're...
[31:54] So by ordinance, you guys have a rainy day fund.
[31:57] It has three line items, emergency repair and replacement and stabilization.
[32:02] And every year, you guys actually, in the budget message, the very last page is a certification that says,
[32:07] we want this much in the rainy day fund.
[32:09] So every year, you guys decide by approving that certification and you guys sign it.
[32:14] That says, we want this much.
[32:15] So if we can have those numbers ready for the June 6 meeting,
[32:18] if that's when you guys approved the budget, we can actually put that figure that figure into that amount.
[32:24] And now we withdraw some for the free model.
[32:28] Yep.
[32:29] And now we're thinking of withdrawing more for the Coleman.
[32:32] Well, we do it as it's needed.
[32:35] So we haven't drawn a dime out yet, because we haven't had any big expenditures.
[32:39] We've made a provision to draw it.
[32:43] Yes.
[32:44] We have it.
[32:45] We haven't drawn a dime out yet.
[32:47] And what you may be remembering is, a few years ago, we established a target percentage that we wanted to be in at least some of those funds.
[32:59] You decide.
[33:00] discussed it, but it's not in the ordinance.
[33:02] So it's good to establish a national percentage.
[33:05] We don't have any tools yet.
[33:08] 20% of I believe are operating expenses.
[33:12] 17 is what I remember.
[33:14] But our goal was 20.
[33:15] We were going to get a 17.
[33:16] Yeah.
[33:17] And so if we pull this out for example,
[33:19] the building, we will be putting that percentage down
[33:22] and that total number down and then paying ourselves back over time.
[33:26] Or with paying ourselves back plus interest.
[33:29] No.
[33:30] No.
[33:31] If there was a team was asking?
[33:32] Say again.
[33:33] Does that what being was asking?
[33:34] Yeah.
[33:35] He wasn't asking about the money for the building.
[33:37] I think he would call his attention because the authority is a separate legal entity.
[33:42] Should there be an interest rate charge?
[33:45] And that I get to...
[33:46] Good question for him to agree with that.
[33:48] And as far as the 2 million internally,
[33:52] we could always charge ourselves something,
[33:55] but we're just taking out of the pocket,
[33:57] but then we got a right.
[33:58] Yeah.
[33:59] Exactly.
[34:00] And I wonder the thing about the loan.
[34:03] If you remember when we had the performer to presentation,
[34:06] it was indicated that if we executed something which we intend to bring you,
[34:10] some type of a promissory note on the repayment,
[34:13] it would not affect our rating on the performer.
[34:16] And if you remember when our performer was very much in the red,
[34:20] when you factored in the rainy day fund,
[34:22] we were well in the green.
[34:23] So we want to make sure that we don't lose that.
[34:25] That was about the only thing of the performer
[34:27] that we need to really pay very close attention to,
[34:30] that was really in the red.
[34:32] But if you factored in, we're still in very, very good shape,
[34:35] and naturally.
[34:36] So there's three items that's in the rainy day fund.
[34:39] Where does this come out of?
[34:40] Or does it...
[34:41] You both are going to go down in three parts?
[34:44] Yeah, it's got three line items.
[34:45] And that's because...
[34:46] So it doesn't...
[34:47] It doesn't like it fall under one line item.
[34:49] It just...
[34:50] It's going to come...
[34:51] You don't probably come out of the stabilization one.
[34:52] Okay.
[34:53] That's what I was wondering.
[34:54] And those are fun balances.
[34:55] They're investing various banks around the community.
[34:58] In other places, it's not all of them.
[35:00] We'll try to stay under the legal limits.
[35:03] So...
[35:07] Do you have a concern?
[35:09] Well, I guess we need to do some research.
[35:11] But if you're a research item, give us some feedback.
[35:14] We can do that.
[35:16] Okay.
[35:17] And then we'll...
[35:19] Maybe gel or de-baby chat to you guys after you get that feedback.
[35:28] Okay.
[35:29] Um...
[35:30] Anything else on the budget?
[35:32] I've got a couple of things, Mayor.
[35:33] I actually talked to being...
[35:35] Before our meeting started, I got a couple of things.
[35:37] The first one is...
[35:39] On our claims, and I...
[35:41] If you've never retake moved a couple of ventures.
[35:44] Well, I think we've...
[35:45] We've prepared it tonight.
[35:46] I didn't have no problem in programming tonight, since it's already May.
[35:50] But I asked Dean, and if it's okay with you,
[35:52] on the future, James, the capital ventures,
[35:55] they're separate at the end of the item.
[35:57] I might be the only one I'm not gonna...
[36:00] But for moving forward maybe in the media future. I'm not maybe sometime in the future. I will but I just don't think I'll get it right now
[36:09] The oven is maids
[36:12] I'm all for mages. I think Steve will do a great job. I would just ask for me and probably the rest of the council if they want to be more updated
[36:20] Then we had this last year because we had really had an eddy conversation with Steve
[36:26] Not about substance
[36:29] Okay, so he came and spoke to the council
[36:32] Been a couple of months ago. Do you want to have one meeting?
[36:41] I think that was one of the things that we talked about last year
[36:44] But I just to kind of get an idea
[36:45] You know what we're contributing to them. They'll him to give us some feedback
[36:49] I know the one we agreed on last year is a mount
[36:52] That was a big thing for us to want to kind of you know get just
[36:56] Better understanding of what's been done or how we are with that so and I I kind of agree with Neil on that as well
[37:07] We will
[37:08] Take care of that we will have careful solutions
[37:13] We're going to have to render of mine
[37:17] The LSA solution is to
[37:23] Separate you
[37:26] Want an item on the next agenda to discuss that specific
[37:32] I know everybody's had a chance to meet with them. That would be up to
[37:37] First council. I don't care. I mean, I was just doing it to save time
[37:42] I just didn't want to pull it out of the
[37:45] Saturday, Jamden
[37:47] With that if that's what they're going to do I think you want to have an agenda items specifically talking about the services
[37:53] They provide I mean, I know everybody met with them and I'm not saying we have to without but if you want to, I want to make sure we did
[38:00] So, I don't
[38:15] Okay, I do have one thing there was a question that was asked that are last meeting the capital of a loft
[38:22] Yeah, about capital and
[38:24] And Tyler's gonna
[38:26] So I am get in our Kevin's years to we put together what we spent on the truck on the last few years
[38:32] So 2014 2015 budget
[38:34] We spent $2800
[38:37] 2015 2016 we spent
[38:39] $2,145 and
[38:42] 2016 2017 which is the current budget year we spent
[38:46] $1,395 and ninety seven cents. I want to I don't know what kind of row office in year custom too, but it's a it's a 2005 sterling
[38:55] And it's I didn't realize this I've always been told this but I call them
[39:00] a dealership today and actually sterling when out of business in 2008 so the truck
[39:06] the sterling is no long they don't manufacture heavy-duty and medium-duty trucks anymore so
[39:10] it's becoming more and more difficult to get parts for this truck I know we have Kevin is
[39:16] very good about saving money we actually went through the truck and some things we needed to
[39:20] new to it to update it if we're going to keep running it because if we get a new truck
[39:24] they will just use this one as our backup so if it ever breaks down we can both use this one
[39:28] but we came in around 18,000 to 20,000 dollars in repairs for example like the light bar
[39:34] working on the lift that lifts the hydraulics what else do we look at Kevin that we need to be done
[39:40] fingers the clutch the clutch is the big thing I mean the clutch could go out I mean it's got very
[39:47] little clutch left in it hydraulics the carper are those parts just unique to that style of truck
[39:57] and for the most part yes yeah it's not a universal part well for a roll it's it's universal
[40:06] to a point for a roll off but it's pretty much just you know so we're starting being out of business
[40:13] that doesn't mean we still can't get parts and we can still get parts it's just going to be after market
[40:20] parts let me just let me just clarify what why about this up Kevin not and you always get point you
[40:28] don't know what will off side do you know where I think what I've been accustomed to but you know what I said
[40:33] I look at a cap of budgets I'm thinking you know to $200,000 is it where we can get one more year out of
[40:38] that maybe not and I'm okay with that but I'm thinking $200,000 can we go somewhere else with it yeah
[40:44] a roll off or unique per se for the unit it's that the roll off is setting on for what you're saying
[40:50] on a startling yeah parts could become an issue I don't know how long they've been out of business
[40:57] you start looking at engines transmissions those companies are not out of business and I'm almost starting
[41:02] to get an engine in I don't know what transmissions in it but those companies are still in business they put
[41:06] those in starting unless it's a startling known unique transmission engine it might not be and that's that was
[41:13] the reason I erased my question and this was something that that hit heavy with me last year is
[41:17] if we're going to do capital improvements on equipment I think it's proven that we we list what kind of
[41:23] money are we talking about monthly or are you angry or what are you looking at in the future and if it's
[41:28] $28,000 we got to take that and you know and the only reason I say this is a roll off truck
[41:34] over that size at $200,000 that doesn't scare me but if you've got multiple issues then yeah there's
[41:41] a problem with that and that was the only reason that I wanted to kind of know we get feedback from you
[41:47] so I love those numbers okay fingers I can't I can't protect the fingers you know that's that's that's
[41:54] that happens and it's what I find more of a problem with roll off his tires
[42:00] So the fresh mind memory on the cost of the new vehicle, because we budgeted 200,000 is what
[42:05] we asked for the 2005 Starlink, which we bought it in 2005, it cost 106,000 dollars.
[42:13] I was gave 200,000 as a budget number when I asked for it in December, January.
[42:19] Right.
[42:20] So I would be sure and have no, I would cover being able to purchase the vehicle.
[42:24] So if we went out to bid for one, it could come in at least.
[42:27] It could.
[42:28] We just don't know.
[42:29] It could.
[42:30] And if you spent the 20,000 dollars, that we, that was, the number mentioned a few minutes
[42:39] ago, do you think it would, would extend the life of that vehicle three or four years?
[42:44] I don't know if I would say three or four.
[42:46] I mean, we could probably get another year or two.
[42:49] Okay.
[42:50] But I mean, you never know.
[42:52] I mean.
[42:53] And what is the normal life of one of those vehicles?
[42:56] It sounds like this one's 12 years old.
[42:58] Yeah.
[42:59] 10, 12 years.
[43:00] I mean, about 10 years.
[43:01] And the truck actually has, as of today, when it was parked, it had 212,799 miles on it.
[43:08] Which like Brian said, 200,000 miles on it, truck is not much.
[43:12] But this truck ain't been drove on the highway, right?
[43:15] It's been drove around town.
[43:17] Here's shit.
[43:18] That's not highway.
[43:19] Exactly.
[43:20] Right.
[43:21] It has 13,042 hours on it, which is a quite a bit of hours.
[43:25] Okay.
[43:26] So, on the high side, it's 200,000 and it has a 10-year life.
[43:31] It's about 20,000 a year.
[43:33] If we're going to spend 20,000 this year, I mean, that math says get a new one, I think.
[43:39] But is there any reason why we can't go off a bed first before we're asked to make that decision?
[43:49] I mean, we'll go off a bed and we'll present it to you guys tomorrow.
[43:52] I mean, you also have the ability to protect those.
[43:55] Do you feel more comfortable with that?
[43:56] Sure.
[43:57] I mean, I don't know.
[43:58] I don't want it to be cleansed, I'm not understanding of what you guys need.
[44:02] I just, I just want to wake it up.
[44:07] What does that out?
[44:08] I mean, because I know hours matter too.
[44:09] So what is the hour-horses count?
[44:11] Is that comparable to, or do you guys, look at it that way?
[44:15] I don't know.
[44:16] No, ours is a big thing, because a lot of times, you know, there's hard miles, and I don't
[44:20] know where they're traveling, but yeah, that's just another thing where it sets and it's all
[44:24] important.
[44:25] And it's around town, or it's not going to assume any time it's running, pulling and unloading
[44:31] and unloading robots, your hours are being added.
[44:33] So, full hours doesn't mean that the wheels are turning all the time, but they're going to
[44:37] stuff.
[44:38] Eight-time engines running.
[44:39] They're working.
[44:40] Yes.
[44:41] But a budget is a spending plan.
[44:43] And when we have a item like this, we plan on spending it on that.
[44:48] But we can have a number of things that could happen.
[44:50] We could not have the revenue we've done then.
[44:52] We said, okay, we push this off.
[44:54] We go out to beer, find out it's too expensive.
[44:56] We might go to a plan B. Or I might go to a great deal with things.
[45:00] this is this is the best thing so anytime we present anything to you as as a you know
[45:05] we go out to bed and bring it to you you also have the ability to say yes or no
[45:09] that's what I said and I appreciate that what's going through my mind is I certainly
[45:13] don't want to spend 20,000 and it ended up being wasted so if we kind of knew the answer
[45:18] sooner than later absolutely would be helpful so and that's kind of what I've
[45:25] felt all doing anything that I didn't absolutely have to do to this drug right what
[45:30] couldn't get money in it you know I'm a place to they'll have specs out tomorrow if
[45:34] first time so that's how we'll proceed with that okay any other you
[45:45] had mentioned there's a little discussion about whether we need a work session next
[45:49] week and obviously basically indicated that a lot of it depends on the calendar talk to
[45:54] Jill just briefly before we came to order and we're going to just have to have a
[45:58] resolution adopting the budget by what date is it? the 23rd of June so our intent is right now
[46:05] we would be presenting the budget for approval on June 6th and if there's any additional work
[46:11] that needs to be done or anything like that our backup would be our next council meeting on the
[46:15] 20th we can always schedule special meetings if you'd like so there's at this point there's still
[46:21] ample time to work on the budget we have to have a public hearing no one for doing it yes the
[46:27] public hearing is planned for the sixth okay and they have to be the same meaning that you approve it
[46:31] but that's how much I don't want to make sure if you start back in the calendar up you all if we
[46:36] ended up there's a public hearing budget have to be the budget's passed or you just have to have a public hearing
[46:46] just have a couple of hearing so if there are some more things yes we're going to run to a
[46:52] calendar much no if that to anything if we hold the public hearing on the sixth and we hear some things
[46:58] of extra decisions then you've got until really the 23rd of make those adjustments so if everybody's
[47:04] comfortable with that we will skip our work session of the Gregory Agil for next Tuesday we'll be
[47:11] able to plan okay but don't put out a cancellation yeah that's come on and but we're going to anticipate
[47:21] not having the great Royce schedule meeting okay anything else on budget or new issues I want to say
[47:35] I went to the open house of the new Travel Center because Friday there was a million people there
[47:42] it is amazing if you haven't had the opportunity to go out and look have beautiful gifts in the
[47:47] gift shop and it's just really nice and you don't have to get on the turn pie cut a jump on the camera
[47:52] you don't have to get on the turn pie but don't change as you need to put them a wife on the reward program
[47:58] some kind
[48:00] I didn't have someone ask me why the bathrooms were locked at night and I didn't have any answer for that.
[48:06] Safety.
[48:07] But that's what I thought you wanted to be.
[48:09] I want to be sure that we have attendance there.
[48:11] There are some more stories in other parts of the state.
[48:14] Not in my ammo about things that can happen in those and that's what we want to.
[48:17] Yes.
[48:18] Well, that's what I thought it probably was.
[48:20] Unfortunately, we're in that day and age.
[48:23] How have you 17?
[48:24] So the manager for me to finish?
[48:25] I only had one, and I'm going to ask Christie to come out because she said the attack
[48:29] saying kind of reminded everybody about this.
[48:31] But this is her project because she's been working on.
[48:34] So she's she needs to be the one telling you about this.
[48:37] Well, it was my fault.
[48:39] I actually forgot to ask the him before the meeting to follow up on it.
[48:43] This year, we after we did the spring cleanup.
[48:47] We got together and talked about what?
[48:49] What did we, you know, what can we do from here?
[48:52] And one of the things that came up is a used tire round-ups.
[48:57] So basically what we're doing is may 20 second through June 3rd will be opportunity for citizens
[49:04] that are both residential and commercial customers of the MSUA to take their tires out
[49:11] to the solid waste facility, dispose of them and dumpster that Kevin and the guys will have out there
[49:18] and utilize the state will come out and pick them up.
[49:23] So we're hopeful that we'll get several citizens and commercial customers to take advantage of that
[49:31] and help us out, especially right before the mosquito season with all the water that we've had
[49:38] and use tires are a big attraction for mosquitoes.
[49:44] You can take an off-road equipment or a stick.
[49:48] Why are you talking about that?
[49:51] Why are you talking about that?
[49:53] But I think your tire is off the rim.
[49:56] It was probably a question of Kevin.
[49:58] You do have to have proof that you're a customer right when you come out there.
[50:02] Just like what you have to do on a Saturday on the first Saturday of the month that's a free day.
[50:08] You've got to bring a bill out to show them that you're a customer.
[50:12] But for a utility bill and thermal ideas, we'll require on Saturday.
[50:16] That's what we're going to do for the free tire.
[50:19] Okay.
[50:20] And we're going to get the word out to people that's going to be happening.
[50:24] Well, this was one of the ways that I forgot to mention about before.
[50:28] We'll put it on after tonight tomorrow.
[50:32] We'll go up on Facebook and on the city website.
[50:35] We'll email this flyer out city wide.
[50:39] So the paper will be helping us there.
[50:41] The paper and the chains are sitting in the utility bill.
[50:46] Yeah, that has to be done.
[50:48] Yeah.
[50:49] And what's the way it again?
[50:51] May 20 second through June 3rd.
[50:53] So it's two weeks.
[50:54] Two weeks.
[50:55] And it does capture on June 3rd is the free first Saturday.
[51:00] So you can take a whole lot of stuff out there.
[51:04] There you go.
[51:05] Okay.
[51:06] Thanks for going.
[51:07] And one final thing I'd like to wrap up on this is I wanted to thank all of our crews.
[51:12] Public Works, utilities, police and fire during the last couple of weeks with the high water that we've had.
[51:19] And unfortunately storms are moving through this week again.
[51:24] Friday it looks like we can potentially have heavy rain and I did know the ground likes still up around 750.
[51:29] So we'll be keeping a close eye on it and Glendee even gradually said hi to her did a good job during the year C.
[51:37] So I'm happy about that.
[51:39] And just wanted to thank everybody because a lot of hard work went in to keep everybody safe.
[51:43] And again turn around, don't drown.
[51:46] We cannot believe the number of people that go around barricades and have to be rescued at high water.
[51:52] So that's it.
[51:56] Okay.
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